As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[FunkyBunch]

Sounds like you're pretty proud of yourself here. Congratulations on being able to DPS on Scholar, the easiest of the jobs to Stance Dance with, after playing two DPS jobs to level 60.

Clearly those healers who cannot DPS anywhere close to you are bad at healing when they keep everyone alive throughout the run.

That's not even close to what I said, or meant. I have never once said that anyone should play as well as me. I said that zero DPS is not acceptable. And that ZERO ZERO ZERO DPS makes them bad at healing. If you do just a bit of DPS and are trying to not be a lazy butt wipe, I'm a happy camper. If you want to do nothing for 30 minutes, go play something else.
I'm leveling WHM as well, but it's only level 34 so I'm not commenting on how that is later. I'll let you know when I hit 60 on it. But I don't plan on not DPSing. Because Aero3 and Holy.
Just as an FYI, when I'm with my friends I don't take out my fairy (you know for fun) so I practice Healing/DPSing without a crutch. If I can do it as a SCH without a pet, you should bloody well be able to as anything, SCH is the most gimped when it doesn't have a pet.

Yes, I fully realize that Hall of the Novice places emphasis on Healing. I never, ever, ever said it didn't. I said the Hall of the Novice says "there may be time to weave in some offensive magicks" (thank you for finding that I was looking for it online but couldn't find it), which means get off your butt and do some DPS when you have nothing else to do.

The difference between you and I, is that I saw a problem, and addressed the problem by doing it myself. And you know it's a problem and pretend it's not a problem and get mad at anyone who says it's a problem.

[Fevelle]

Are you saying that if someone DPS's outside of cleric stance it is as bad/worse than doing no DPS at all? It might not do much damage you are right, and cleric stance is preferable, BUT the point being made is that some DPS are uncomfortable with stance dancing and feel they shouldn't need to DPS because of it. My arguement is that stopping DPS is never the answer, and that cleric stance is the bit that turns you from a standard healer into a good healer, and that even if you don't use cleric stance you should be throwing out some form of damage, even if it is just DoTs.

After level 50, yes it's as bad as not DPSing at all. The damage is negligible. If someone is unconfortable with stance dancing and still want to help with DPS, they should focus on building healing awareness - and memorizing mechanics, so they know when they can enter CS safely.

Also when you talk about buffing/another thing? please enlighten me what that thing is? On AST, cards are probably a higher priority than DPS anyway (at which point nobody is complaining about AST DPS), but on WHM/SCH what are they supposed to do if the party is at near full HP and the tank is not taking enough damage to warrant buffs (most times I don't even need to use my own buffs as a tank)

If they have this much time and not even the tank is taking damage, they should enter CS and try a little DPS - because like I said before, it would be safe to do so.

On a side note, I think this game lacks buffsto keep up on the party. Spells like Blink, Shell, NullBarrier, Aura, Haste, Float and a lot others can all be changed to fit in FFXIV nicely.

[Supersun]

On a side note, I think this game lacks buffsto keep up on the party. Spells like Blink, Shell, NullBarrier, Aura, Haste, Float and a lot others can all be changed to fit in FFXIV nicely.

Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Cure III, Refresh,...

*trauma intensifies*

Seriously, FFXIV does NOT need that...

[ChocoAndWaffles]

Im still playing the original story, but at level 40 here's my experience as a scholar:

Against regular enemies, the tank and DPS usually clear them so fast that any DPS from me is negligible. I suppose I could cast ruin/ruin 2 or drop a few dots, but most times it doesnt make a difference.

against beefier enemies though, i always try to keep at least bio2, bio, and miasma on the enemy if Im not busy healing. for as long as they stay on they do a bunch of damage during longer fights.

[Fevelle]

Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Cure III, Refresh,...

*trauma intensifies*

Seriously, FFXIV does NOT need that...

Well don't we do that already?

Aero III, Aero II, Aero, Stone 3 (ad infinitum), drop CS, Cure II , enter CS, Aero III, Aero II...

Healing in this game is already repetitive. A few more spells wouldn't make it worse.

[Yui_Tenshi]

Better to do something than nothing, unless you know it's gonna be a long fight no matter what (like your tanks and dps are struggling) and you absolutely need to conserve mana. Generally I buff the party before or at the start of a fight, then focus on healing and dps'ing only (unless it's a boss fight, in which case I'll buff according to boss attack rotations and mainly only on tanks and healers). Buffs do eat a lot of mana so I generally minimize usage unless it is helpful during pressing moments. But I've only played WHM as my healer so I'm not sure how its like with other healer jobs/classes.

[gehrtalert]

Been leveling scholar a lot the past few days. I don't see how you can get away without dpsing. I've said this for white Mage but it seems like its an even bigger thing for scholars.

[bardaboo]

If they have this much time and not even the tank is taking damage, they should enter CS and try a little DPS - because like I said before, it would be safe to do so.
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This. Healers have cooldowns to help them heal big numbers. Losing a few gcd to dpsing will allow them to learn these cooldowns. The healers that keep everyone at 100% are only using cure2. Dps then you can use divine seal, benidiction, god forbid you use swiftcast on something other than a raise. ...

[FunkyBunch]

Been leveling scholar a lot the past few days. I don't see how you can get away without dpsing. I've said this for white Mage but it seems like its an even bigger thing for scholars.

That's really the crux of the issue. If you've played anything besides Healer, the "no DPS" doesn't even occur to you because it doesn't make sense with the way the game plays. But there is a subset of Healers that are trying to play like they're just bad WoW players.

[Dogempire]

That's really the crux of the issue. If you've played anything besides Healer, the "no DPS" doesn't even occur to you because it doesn't make sense with the way the game plays. But there is a subset of Healers that are trying to play like they're just bad WoW players.

I met one of those healers yesterday. They were playing a tank job.