Will Parry become worthwhile in the next patch?

[Jpec07]

People don't like Parry because it's purely a mitigation stat

Nope. People hate Parry because it has a really crappy scaling rate, because the combat table sets almost everything against it, and because it doesn't provide a meaningful impact on group success (there isn't enough incoming damage outside of tankbusters for it to feel worthwhile, and tankbusters are almost always predictable). Upgrading to a piece of gear with more Def/MDef is going to see infinitely better mitigation returns than even moving from a full-Crit piece to a full-Parry piece, and when you compare that feeble amount of mitigation to the potential of killing a boss 1% faster, it isn't worth it.

I'd really like for Parry to become a more worthwhile stat, but SE would need to make a lot of changes for that to be the case. For a rundown on it, take a look at this thread: Four Ways to Die - Why the Tank Meta Feels "Off". The gist is that in a world where the biggest threat to your survival comes in the form of a single, highly-predictable period of high incoming damage, the value of passive survival is greatly diminished. Now, this is changed slightly in Midas (that thread was written during Gordias), but it is still considered best practice for tanks to get "enough" mitigation to survive the tankbusters, and then focus on maximizing damage output--there simply isn't a great enough need for extra survivability beyond that point.

It would feel good to need to be un-killable, but the game would need to take a big shift for that to happen.

[CaptainLagbeard]

1. they should.
2. the game is far larger than the 8 man content
3. if I wanted a game that was primarily about 8 man content (aka raiding) I would not be playing FFXIV.

Well, they could go all FFXI and make every single stat point count...

But on the topic of Parry, it would be very much appriciated if it were made better, at least for WAR and DRK, since they can't Block like PLDs can...

[Rhaja]

i think they should seperate the parry stat and the parry battle-effect. make the parry battle-effect an fixed % chance to parry an attack and mitigate the damage by 20%. then they don't need to make any changes to skills with parry effects, like drg, war and drk have.

then they can take the parry stat and overhaul it to be something completely different. like a defensive determination-like stat or whatever.

I completely agree with this and expect it to go this route.

[Brannigan]

1. they should.
2. the game is far larger than the 8 man content
3. if I wanted a game that was primarily about 8 man content (aka raiding) I would not be playing FFXIV.

1. but they don't
2. and in that stuff your stats do not matter in the slightest
3. okay

[Kosmos992k]

1. but they don't
2. and in that stuff your stats do not matter in the slightest
3. okay

OK, the game goes beyond 8-man end-game content. While the additional stats may not matter to YOU, they do matter to others. The game goes far beyond end-game and the core combat systems and stats should not be predicated on end-game. Quite the opposite.

Well, they could go all FFXI and make every single stat point count...

But on the topic of Parry, it would be very much appriciated if it were made better, at least for WAR and DRK, since they can't Block like PLDs can...

Well, there is a price to be paid for being the most tanky, and that's having poorer DPS, on the flip side, having better DPS means you're a bit less tanky. Parry should be a useful stat for tanks, all tanks.

[SpookyGhost]

The only place where Parry (the secondary stat) is useful is in 4man dungeons doing big pulls as PLD to allow your healer an extra AOE GCD. That's it. It is useless everywhere else. We have been doing this since 2.0. It's not just worthless as an OT, it's worthless as a MT. Just. It's so bad.

[Tint]

The only place where Parry (the secondary stat) is useful is in 4man dungeons doing big pulls as PLD to allow your healer an extra AOE GCD. That's it. It is useless everywhere else. We have been doing this since 2.0. It's not just worthless as an OT, it's worthless as a MT. Just. It's so bad.

theoretically the stun of DRK has a 20% chance to reset his cd when you parry, wich is added damage and (if you spread the stuns around in a big pull because of stun resistance) added mitigation.

[SpookyGhost]

theoretically the stun of DRK has a 20% chance to reset his cd when you parry, wich is added damage and (if you spread the stuns around in a big pull because of stun resistance) added mitigation.

Correct, since it also procs Reprisal, however stacking Parry only increases the likelyhood of that happening by a very marginal amount. It's also, as usual, useless when OTing.

[Hayward]

Stats don't matter outside of 8 person content.

Having blurted this absurd statement, I must challenge you to post a YouTube video of yourself running Level 60 dungeons with minimum iLevel gear and weapon.

Contrary to the talking points of the other forums that you had to have frequented, stats DO matter in EVERY situation.

[Jpec07]

Having blurted this absurd statement, I must challenge you to post a YouTube video of yourself running Level 60 dungeons with minimum iLevel gear and weapon.

Contrary to the talking points of the other forums that you had to have frequented, stats DO matter in EVERY situation.

I think he meant to say "itemization," and the context kind of implies that.

If that's what he meant, he's right. Itemization doesn't matter outside of 8-man and 8-man Savage content.