Luminous Fibers

[Singularity]

To be fair, his ship hasn't even unlocked sector 7 yet. Raw celestines come from sectors 8-10. Nothing else of real value is obtainable 'til you get to sectors 18+ (tier III crafting materia from S3 and S7 being an exception, but the drop rate on those seems to have been nerfed). He will probably get his investment back, but it will take a while.

[Snugglebutt]

I suppose your ship comes back with nothing on the occasions there's no celestine then... Or, more likely, it comes back with materia, crafting mats, rare mounts etc. Don't try & plead pity as I know exactly what goes into, & comes out of, airship voyages & it's definitely an advantage over those who have no access to them.

I do not care for your pity and was not looking for it. I simply mentioned how people without one tend to quite often underestimate the time and costs involved plus overestimate the returns so I explained the costs I currently have incurred and time spent/will need to spend plus how little a return on my investment I have had so far to emphasize that point. You mentioned celestines, I pointed out how low value they are on my server. Things like the branches and silver ore etc are even worse and practically worthless.

I said I would be perfectly happy to allow all current airship limited things be gained also from non-airship activities...which apparently isn't good enough for you despite your complaint specifically mentioning the airship limited items. I think some of the worthless items could be replaced by better things aka like the 10-15gil birch branches removed and T5 DoH materia type added even if SE puts low percentage chance for it to pop up (around 5-10% chance) and when does pop up it is very limited in quantity (between 1 to 3) plus places it in a very long range latter sector. That is not that unreasonable.

I expect you to whine about this but if was up to me I would make sure everything in the following list would be also obtainable outside of airship ventures via other means but at the same time I would remove duplication of things in list and stupid things like branches etc (marked in blue) then replace those things like the ones marked in red. It is not perfect but it is a rough idea, the idea that each sector should give something unique and not replicated in another plus everything actually being worth obtaining unlike branches and things like silver ore which is not. The workshop materials and materia sections have duplication though because there is not enough variation in materials/materia in the game to avoid that.

Sector / Workshop Materials / Materia / Other Items / Rare items

[ServerCollaps]

No, as it is those in charge of Airships get a huge advantage in this game & it's completely unfair to those who don't. There's already materials tied to Airships that shouldn't be (Celestine for example) which gives them an edge. There's no reason they should get more.

you seem to forget that people have to buy that advantage. The airship parts alone cost several millions, than you have to buy repairmats, fuel, etc. Getting some special mats in exchange is just fair

[Culfinrandir]

you seem to forget that people have to buy that advantage. The airship parts alone cost several millions, than you have to buy repairmats, fuel, etc. Getting some special mats in exchange is just fair

Indeed, but wanting even more special mats than those they already get is just greedy. I have a snapshot of a "B grade" voyage by the airship my FC is in & it returned 4 Red Moko Grass, 32 Grade IV Gathering Materia & 18 Grade IV Crafting Materia. That's more than enough to get in 24hrs without Glass/Luminous Fibre too!

[Snugglebutt]

Indeed, but wanting even more special mats than those they already get is just greedy. I have a snapshot of a "B grade" voyage by the airship my FC is in & it returned 4 Red Moko Grass, 32 Grade IV Gathering Materia & 18 Grade IV Crafting Materia. That's more than enough to get in 24hrs without Glass/Luminous Fibre too!

Very unlikely. Firstly none of the sectors which give T4 DoL/DoH materia's give Red Moko Grass, secondly in order to gain that many T4's they would have had to hit multiple sectors which do contain T4's and even then it would not be a 24 hour venture because of the distance of the sectors and amount of sectors need to hit to get that many plus it would of returned with probably more variation than just T4's and some grass. The voyage would have to have hit sector 3 or 4 plus probably a combination of 13, 16, 17 and/or 22 which would be I believe impossible to hit all using a single ship due to a limitation on the maximum range possible and most of them being opposite ends of the zone.

Post your screenshot or even better post the voyage log for it, the date of the screenshot also matters because airship ventures have been nerfed a lot since first introduced and don't go trying to photoshop it because we would be able to tell. Give us the date of the voyage, the airship parts composition, the sectors which were visited and list everything it came back with along with the actual real voyage time too because it is VERY doubtful that a single airship could obtain what you claimed within 24 hours, especially with the current state of airship ventures post-nerfs. Seems to me personally you have resorted to hyperbole or have made multiple mistakes/errors in your claim.

[Culfinrandir]

You're being incredibly rude & I resent you calling me a liar. Luckily I do have a photograph of the screen but not all the information as it was taken on 15/07/2015 at 00:19 BST. I have no reason whatsoever to Photoshop the picture nor make unfounded claims. I'm a respected & responsible adult so such childish behaviour is at least 25 years behind me.

[Snugglebutt]

Those are T3 (III) materia, not T4 (IV). You said and I quote "32 Grade IV Gathering Materia & 18 Grade IV Crafting Materia" within a 24 hour venture. I said you were either using hyperbole or made mistakes/errors in your claim. I do not know whether it was intentional or not to mislead which is why I covered both intentional and unintentional as possibilities. It appears as though however you did indeed make such an error.

Fun fact: I am at the stage now where need to start thinking about crafting the next tier of airship components for my only ship so far.

To craft myself requires the following ingredients:

9 ferberite
9 scheelite
18 ahriman wing
18 dhalmel saliva
18 lightning cluster
24 terebinth
24 tin ore
27 wyvern wing
33 silver ore
36 petrified log
36 scarlet sap
36 water crystal
48 copper ore
48 flax
48 raw amber
54 black alumen
54 chemically treated chimera hide
54 dhalmel hide
54 fire cluster
54 raw celestine
54 red moko grass
63 earth cluster
72 earth crystal
72 rosewood log
78 dark chestnut log
90 bomb ash
108 vivianite
126 wind cluster
153 ice cluster
162 animal fat
162 aqueous whetstone
162 potash
165 hardsilver sand
192 water shard
240 mytherite ore
240 mythril ore
300 mytherite sand
384 wind shard
492 fire shard
492 wind crystal
540 iron ore
837 cobalt ore
1053 coke
1107 darksteel ore
1512 ice crystal
3510 ice shard

Quite a few of the ingredients are from unspoiled nodes, so are very limited in how many can farm a day. Some of the ingredients are only obtainable from actual airship voyages so takes even longer. Total cost in GC seals for the non-farm-able ingredients in that list...375,300 GC seals. Total cost to buy from MB instead of crafting? 15-16 million gil. So forgive me if your screenshot of a few dozen T3 materia's doesn't mean much to me and I'm sorry that you think it is unfair that we spend millions so that you do not have to do so. I was actually like you before I started my own FC and bought my own small FC house with workshop capabilities.

I remember thinking I wanted to craft something and noticed required a rare type airship only item, on the MB it was like 200-300k for the item and I thought that was unfair that I could not farm it for free. I simply didn't want to pay that much for it at the time. Instead I saved up for my own house week after week, month after month checking the wards for vacancies over and over until new wards came around which when they finally did I stayed up and waited for servers to come back up and rushed around like a headless chicken hoping to get one. After making my own FC, buying a small house and crafting my own ship though...the reality turned out to be those with them invest many, many, MANY millions so you can obtain them without incurring that same vast cost.

True be told I do not mind if all airship only items get an alternative non-airship obtaining option but I am getting tired of people who do not have one overestimating the returns and underestimating the costs of getting you those items which we place on the MB for a tiny fraction of what would cost you to farm them yourself if started your own FC and bought your own house with workshop which comes with zero built airships to begin with. You whined about celestines but it costs us potentially MANY millions to get to a stage where we can farm them, you only need to spend 10k for them through the MB on my server...big difference.

Like I said before I have already spent over 12 million just on airship components and materials alone; this next tier I mentioned above could potentially bump that up to just under 30 million and I still have 2-3 other airship tiers yet to craft which I will probably need to do in order to have enough parts to outfit all 4 future ships when the the other 3 finally unlock. That doesn't even take into account the running costs themselves and for a microscopic size FC like mine which only has 2 people...it isn't easy. As I said earlier, people who do not have one often underestimate the time and cost of the feature plus overestimate the returns on the investment much like how you overestimated what tier of the materia thought you saw in the screenshot.

[panderin]

As I said earlier, people who do not have one often underestimate the time and cost of the feature plus overestimate the returns on the investment much like how you overestimated what tier of the materia thought you saw in the screenshot.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for finally saying this. People seem to think people who "GET TO DO THE AIRSHIPS AND GET THE LOOT OMG" that some sort of magic happens. I have people in my fc's join my party and GO AFK after I have done ALL THE THINGS to where that is literally all they need to. I am the only person who even cares about doing them so ya damn right imma get my money and exploit the EVER LOVING heck outta it. Also I give away Zu mounts and most mats as people need them/request them. This type of thing engrages me, like we didn't earn it....you kidding me? I have outfitted 10 airships across 3 FC's all on my own. I earned EVERY BIT OF IT and I will sit on my armada and be proud of my efforts!

[Dustytome]

Please remember that the airships were never meant to be for personal use. A lot of the changes you'd make on that list above would only benefit one person as a lot of it is unique and some things cannot even be traded (ie ventures). If you want to take on the airships all on your own, then yes you're going to be investing a lot more personally versus an fc full of people all contributing. Also be aware you don't have to constantly be updating the airship part tiers. You can level them up to 50 with the bronco parts just fine while swapping out with final build parts gradually as you level them. You will not be using 4 x Viltgance parts at 50 as they're 31 components each and at 50 you have a maximum of 61 components per ship build.

[Snugglebutt]

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The example I gave above was merely a rough idea, the idea that each sector should give something different if possible plus changing the worthless loot such as silver ore etc for things that actually have a reasonable use like darksteel ores, hardsilver ores, cobalt, titanium or mytherite ores etc. Instead of branches give actual logs like birch, rosewood, dark chestnut, petrified etc plus maybe replace some of the duplicated things with some of the GC stuff, aethersands, cordials etc.

The items which seem like they would be for just one person would not actually be for just one person because you could just have an FC member who needs it finalize the report and collect the items but those items were merely an example of using something unique in those sectors anyways. Those choices are not set in stone. What I am suggesting is replace the duplicates with more unique items. More ore types, more log types, more materials, more GC seal items and other stuff etc. Even if do not agree with all item types I suggested, I think the basic premise behind what I am suggesting is reasonable.

The amount of duplication in the current sectors is ridiculous. There is 81 unique items in the loot table but 153 duplication's of those. That is way too many duplication's for my liking. I would like SE to replace most of those with other unique things. As for airship parts you still need 16 to form all four ships and if plan to have each of those ships able to visit any sector they do need to meet the minimum surveillance requirements plus have enough range to reach any and half decent retrieval/favor for decent returns plus good enough hull to fit such parts. I am aiming for 100+ stats on 3/4 parts with 70-90 for the remaining part with each airship by the end.