anyone thinks the seals gained from turning in HW dungeon drops be nerfed?

[Felis]

Moonstone is for crafters most of the people needing that I have encountered don't even craft

so it's unlikely they'll need the seals for tools that are nearly obsolete on HW

Moonstone - part of 3.3 relic quest


If someone don't like that someone else roll Need, go as healer or tank (no competitions in Need rolls).

[Derio]

People may need it for different reasons.

Just because someone needs for glamour doesnt mean they have more of a right to have that piece over someone who needs it for gear, or someone who needs it for seals.

The only time they have more of a right is if the person simply throws away(discards) the piece of gear.

As long as the gear is being used in a meaningful way that is beneficial to the player, then all is fair.

[Obysuca]

If the intent of either party is to turn in the gear, then sure. But if someone needs for seals over the person that actually needs the gear to have a higher ilvl and better stats, it really does feel like a dick move.

"Oh finally, I'll now have the ilvl to nevermind!"

Seals will always be something a player may be in need of. But there are plenty of methods to obtain them, some even quicker than dungeoning.

^ This.

Even if I'm on a job that can need on something and I think "Oh, that looks nice, I might get that for glamour", I greed it, because that's what it is, greed, I don't need that glamour, I want it. The only time I need is if I actually need it for ilvl.

Theres much faster ways to obtain seals than by screwing people out of gear they actually need so they can do more damage / participate in more content etc. Also, this far into HW, seals is kind of a piss poor excuse, seeing as most of the stuff you can buy from it, such as coke etc, is dirt cheap (under 500 gil each on Midgardsormr last I checked) and a good portion of it us somewhat useless.

Not really. The fact that the market can be very expensive to a player, even a non-crafter, especially in HW's phase of leveling, can be discouraging. Imagine, trying to compare forking over a ton of money for just a few pieces, and risking a potentially long queue (depending on class) for a 25-30 min or so dungeon run, to be out voted by a person that can spend about 5-10 min in a fate, per fate, and probably even spend less time to get the seals that add up to the gear piece that was taken. Fates alone are enough to get a person to cap if they're smart about where they grind. I recall hitting my seals cap on many occasions when grinding for a few of my Realm Reborn relics.

^ And this.

If someone is trying to get ilvl for their main so they can be better geared, chances are, theres no way in hell they'll be able to afford crafted gear, seeing as those are a couple mil each. I agree, it's extremely easy to cap seals by doing a few fates than it is to trade in gear, I can't tell you how many times I've capped, blown my seals on ventures, only to recap not long after, without even grinding fates, just one every now and then.


This has been brought up before way near the beginning of 2.0, but, you don't need seals or glamour, you want them, they in no way help you progress or help you clear content, so it's greed. Getting higher ilvl so you can actually progression, you need that. Last time this was brought up I actually had someone argue with me "Well SE should tell us what greed/need mean then", because people can't tell the difference in need/greed on their own...? People confuse wanting something with needing it.

It's not about someone "having more of a right over the gear" or whatever the argument people use is. It's about not being a jerk about it. I'd really love to see these people play a mmo where you actually had to behave or you couldn't progress.

[HakaseNyan]

It's not about someone "having more of a right over the gear" or whatever the argument people use is. It's about not being a jerk about it. I'd really love to see these people play a mmo where you actually had to behave or you couldn't progress.

Funny you should mention that. Just about every time I roll need on a piece of gear - someone else believes their need is more justified and calls me a dick. The looting rules are there and they are JUST. A player getting upset over losing a roll, fair and square, should take a break. The moment you try to throw your own ideals into the looting rules, people get hurt!

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I dunno how this is even a thing. Every single run I been on, no one ever complains about gear going to someone else that "doesn't deserve it". People roll, the loot goes to whoever, we move on. Simple. If you want loot that bad, either go as the appropriate class or go do the run with friends.

[Vele]

But I need it for desynth.

[Khalithar]

I strongly disagree with needing on a piece of gear that is not an upgrade for you, I don't care if you need seals/desynth/glam or whatever. I mean if you do that, whatever, you do you, but it's something I find to be in bad taste.

[Grayve]

As long as one is going to use the gear, for seals, glamour, desynth, or even to use, it's all fair. They are doing the same amount of work as you for the same rewards.

[alimdia]

It all boils down to communication, if you need to wear something then say so in chat, don't assume people can read your mind, otherwise the common assumption is that everything is fair game be it need or greed, because the majority of times the people you run that with won't need to wear that gear, dungeon gear has always been the weakest alternative compared to literally everything else, so it pretty much exists as seal fodder or glamour.

[worldofneil]

not sure why one would need so many seals but a lot of this GC stuff is sold cheap on the MB

For me it's ventures. I have 8 retainers, sending them out on quick ventures requires 16 ventures every hour. Although I do top up my ventures by buying them with allied seals and getting from some beast tribe quests, the bulk of my ventures come from using Grand Company seals which equates to 3,200 seals per hour. If I'm playing for 6 hours, that's 96 ventures I need, or 19,200 seals.

Obviously I chose to have 8 retainers and I choose to send them our on quick ventures as often as I can and I'm fine with the current costings, but I am also handing in pretty much every bit of gear I get to feed my retainers hunger for ventures...

Hope that helps to answer your question as to a reason why!