Your thoughts on queuing in DF with languages you don't understand / speak.

[Cakekizyy]

We do it on Tonberry, since rest of data center is Japanese. Rarely any problems over here that I can tell.

[Neophyte]

If you know the auto-translate you don't need to know the languages.

(Please use the auto-translate function.)
(Gather together.)
(Full attack! )
(area of effect attack )
(I had fun today!)

but even mechanics are pretty simple to explain.

Ozma:
(Meteor), (left) and (rear).
(□), (tank) (left).
I think auto-translate is enough for 90% of the content.

[seida]

We do it on Tonberry, since rest of data center is Japanese. Rarely any problems over here that I can tell.

Ha, the Japanese don't like it though, there's an insanely long thread on the jp forum complaining about foreigners selecting jp when they queue.

Personally I don't have a problem with it for easy content, or content you are confident in. But I do hate it when people queue for difficult content/things they have never cleared and obviously have no idea what to do, and then cannot even understand explanations when people give them! It's selfish and wastes everyone's time.

[FinaSel]

Ha, the Japanese don't like it though, there's an insanely long thread on the jp forum complaining about foreigners selecting jp when they queue.

Personally I don't have a problem with it for easy content, or content you are confident in. But I do hate it when people queue for difficult content/things they have never cleared and obviously have no idea what to do, and then cannot even understand explanations when people give them! It's selfish and wastes everyone's time.

This is exactly what I am talking about.
First of all, for Japanese players, we greet each other before the dungeon begins and when the dungeon ends. Even if they use the auto-translate, I hope that other players can, at least, adopt this behavior when selecting "Japanese".

Most, but not all, English-only-speaking players don't tend to do this. I understand this is natural in the English speaking gaming world, but in the Japanese gaming world it is quite rude to join a party and not say a single word. I understand it is a difference of culture, but when in the group of all players who only speak Japanese, it makes sense to try to adopt this.

Today, I had two parties where the players who didn't understand Japanese said some things to the other players in English, but they couldn't understand them.
So I had to explain so we could function as a group and clear both IDs. If I hadn't been there, I think it would have been too hectic.

I understand it must be difficult for English speakers on Oceanic data center to get a party if they can't speak Japanese, but if they queue for a Japanese ID, they should at least either:
A.) Use the autotranslate feature
B.) Learn the very basic Japanese for "Be right back", "Please wait", "I'm not ready", "Keep the enemies apart", etc

And I understand people in Oceanic region can't / don't want to join EU or NA servers. That's okay. But I hope that if queuing for a Japanese group, people shouldn't expect others to understand English.

This not only happens in Dungeons, but also in PvP. Many people who do not understand Japanese come in and shout directions in English, when they, and myself, are the only people who can understand it.

I don't mind if people who don't speak Japanese come into the group, but if they speak only English and expect everyone to understand it, it is kind of troublesome.......

[Alberel]

This is exactly what I am talking about.
First of all, for Japanese players, we greet each other before the dungeon begins and when the dungeon ends. Even if they use the auto-translate, I hope that other players can, at least, adopt this behavior when selecting "Japanese".

Most, but not all, English-only-speaking players don't tend to do this. I understand this is natural in the English speaking gaming world, but in the Japanese gaming world it is quite rude to join a party and not say a single word. I understand it is a difference of culture, but when in the group of all players who only speak Japanese, it makes sense to try to adopt this.

Today, I had two parties where the players who didn't understand Japanese said some things to the other players in English, but they couldn't understand them.
So I had to explain so we could function as a group and clear both IDs. If I hadn't been there, I think it would have been too hectic.

I understand it must be difficult for English speakers on Oceanic data center to get a party if they can't speak Japanese, but if they queue for a Japanese ID, they should at least either:
A.) Use the autotranslate feature
B.) Learn the very basic Japanese for "Be right back", "Please wait", "I'm not ready", "Keep the enemies apart", etc

And I understand people in Oceanic region can't / don't want to join EU or NA servers. That's okay. But I hope that if queuing for a Japanese group, people shouldn't expect others to understand English.

This not only happens in Dungeons, but also in PvP. Many people who do not understand Japanese come in and shout directions in English, when they, and myself, are the only people who can understand it.

I don't mind if people who don't speak Japanese come into the group, but if they speak only English and expect everyone to understand it, it is kind of troublesome.......

See the thing is in my experience the European players largely do always greet each other and say thank you at the end of a dungeon as well. Use of the auto-translate here is also very common due to the number of languages used in the region.

I think there's something of a disconnect in this thread between the English-speaking NA/Oceanic players who aren't used to engaging with other languages and English-speaking EU players who are.

[AnaviAnael]

This is exactly what I am talking about.
First of all, for Japanese players, we greet each other before the dungeon begins and when the dungeon ends. Even if they use the auto-translate, I hope that other players can, at least, adopt this behavior when selecting "Japanese".

Most, but not all, English-only-speaking players don't tend to do this. I understand this is natural in the English speaking gaming world, but in the Japanese gaming world it is quite rude to join a party and not say a single word. I understand it is a difference of culture, but when in the group of all players who only speak Japanese, it makes sense to try to adopt this.

A lot of us on the NA servers find it to be rude too. I don't get why people can't be bothered to say hello and goodbye at the beginning and the end of a run. You wouldn't do that IRL, so why do it in a game?

[FinaSel]

A lot of us on the NA servers find it to be rude too. I don't get why people can't be bothered to say hello and goodbye at the beginning and the end of a run. You wouldn't do that IRL, so why do it in a game?

I'm glad that it is not as much of a cultural thing as I thought then.
I remember playing WoW and I recall that most people said nothing when entering a party or dungeon together.

[AnaviAnael]

I'm glad that it is not as much of a cultural thing as I thought then.
I remember playing WoW and I recall that most people said nothing when entering a party or dungeon together.

That's really sad. I played WoW for a month or two and decided it wasn't for me, so I can't comment at all on the raid culture there. I think most people have the attitude that they're never going to see the party again, so there's no need for formalities.

[revonine]

I'm glad that it is not as much of a cultural thing as I thought then.
I remember playing WoW and I recall that most people said nothing when entering a party or dungeon together.

Of course not. Being polite is not limited to culture.
I say "Hello everyone" and "thanks for the run, have a good day" without even thinking about it. A lot of people I've encountered though have literally left the duty before I even finished typing goodbye xD
This is my experience on the Chaos datacentre at least.

[Fynlar]

I check everything because, as stated, most DF things require no communication, most DF things HAVE no communication, and 99.9% of the time (on Primal anyway) it's an English speaking party anyway if they speak at all.

Maybe for except the most difficult extreme/savage fights (which I don't do anyway), there are sufficient tools to communicate most basic strategies.