Alienation of Dedicated and Skilled players

[Cynric]

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Not trying to argue with you but the English forum community is not even close to a single percent of the players in any game community including this one. So a poll taken from the forum is like almost worthless data wise. Steam data is probably just about as useless but yeah.

[Dextro]

If you have some steam data that relates to opinions on gear, I will respond to that. Otherwise, I don't care about novel comparisons between unrelated data sets that you have made. Show me where steam users talk about gear options.

These forums are used for feedback. I am citing a thread that precisely does that and that thread also includes a poll participated in by active FFXIV forum users. The population and topic of that poll/thread is relevant to this one.

Your steam data, as fallacious at it is, serves to prove what exactly? That the poll thread is skewed, biased, or unscientific? Again, I admit the skewing already, so you point was moot on top of being a fallacy, that's why I ignored it.

Your move, Balmung.

[zosia]

Not trying to argue with you but the English forum community is not even close to a single percent of the players in any game community including this one. So a poll taken from the forum is like almost worthless data wise. Steam data is probably just about as useless but yeah.

I doubt player sentiment varies that widely on this topic. We already know that the NA community is one of the more casual communities. I highly doubt that other communities, such as the JP community, would be against more complex gear options since they have higher clear rates of more difficult content. I don't see communities like the JP community turning their nose at the sight of complex gear. At least these are my assumptions.

[Alaltus]

This whole thread emphasised "interesting stats," not minuscule boosts. Either way, what purpose do those procs serve? Say next patch Dragoons can get three equally powerful weapons, but each has a different proc for Blood for Blood, Battle Litany and Blood of the Dragon. People will eventually math out which proc offers the best potency increase, pick that weapon and throw away the other two. Fair enough if you think this is better, but we'll have to disagree.

In the current system there is only room for 1 single set. In a more horizontal system there is room for situationally superior gear. So for example Rogue/Ninja could have gear that modifies planting hate on another player for when there is no tank. Pgl/Mnk could have gear designed for battles with lots of downtime that modify Form shift/Meditate. If the stat system wasn't so 1 dimensional there would be room for situational gear even without bonuses to abilities.

[loreleidiangelo]

I doubt player sentiment varies that widely on this topic. We already know that the NA community is one of the more casual communities. I highly doubt that other communities, such as the JP community, would be against more complex gear options since they have higher clear rates of more difficult content. I don't see communities like the JP community turning their nose at the sight of complex gear. At least these are my assumptions.

I think what he means is more that people happy with the game aren't really browsing the forums that much. And they're not as likely to click on a topic talking about changing XIV's design formula or whatever because they don't care. A more neutral title might have served your purpose better, since right now I get the impression that it's just an echo chamber for people who agree with the OP.

[Lorielle]

I think what he means is more that people happy with the game aren't really browsing the forums that much. And they're not as likely to click on a topic talking about changing XIV's design formula or whatever because they don't care. A more neutral title might have served your purpose better, since right now I get the impression that it's just an echo chamber for people who agree with the OP.

And that's understandable. But the same could be said about the people that have long quit the game due to the unchanging formula.

[Cynric]

I doubt player sentiment varies that widely on this topic. We already know that the NA community is one of the more casual communities. I highly doubt that other communities, such as the JP community, would be against more complex gear options since they have higher clear rates of more difficult content. I don't see communities like the JP community turning their nose at the sight of complex gear. At least these are my assumptions.

I mean I agree with more complexity just disagree on implementing solely gear because that's hardly the more depth I crave. The depth I want isn't feasible in a casual community.

Id just rather have real data versus making assumptions. Truth is we really don't know the general consensus on this stuff and mmos are very different than when I started playing them.

[zosia]

I mean I agree with more complexity just disagree on implementing solely gear because that's hardly the more depth I crave. The depth I want isn't feasible in a casual community.

Id just rather have real data versus making assumptions. Truth is we really don't know the general consensus on this stuff and mmos are very different than when I started playing them.

Fair enough, I can respect wanting to flesh out the truth as much as possible. I guess that is a task SE can accomplish, none of us have the means to survey that many players over that many regions.

SE probably should include an area for feedback right next to the area where people unsub. I think the only way people who unsub can give feedback is via these forums.

[HeavenlyArmed]

Fair enough, I can respect wanting to flesh out the truth as much as possible. I guess that is a task SE can accomplish, none of us have the means to survey that many players over that many regions.

SE probably should include an area for feedback right next to the area where people unsub. I think the only way people who unsub can give feedback is via these forums.

Actually, I've heard that recently this actually was added, though since I've not unsubbed I can't confirm this for myself.

[SpookyGhost]

Not trying to argue with you but the English forum community is not even close to a single percent of the players in any game community including this one. So a poll taken from the forum is like almost worthless data wise. Steam data is probably just about as useless but yeah.

To be absolutely fair, it's nigh impossible to get accurate data on the entire community's thoughts on something. The best you can do is get numbers from SE showing actual time spent on certain content - but even those numbers are a bit hard to work with since you can't tell if they're doing it out of obligation (since there isn't much meaningful battle content and they need to fill time) or if they actually enjoy it. However, I do think that if you implement, say, more battle content while not affecting people who enjoy glamour, crafting, etc. then those people won't really mind and the ones that enjoy the battle content will have more to do. Similarly, giving people who enjoy the battle content ways to spice up their job and make it unique (without being extremely convoluted or anything) would be a welcome addition as well, I can't imagine people objecting to feeling like their Dragoon isn't a carbon copy of everyone else's.