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  1. #3731
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    Malicewolf's Avatar
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    Fohl Hakuko
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    I was just recently kicked from a party on wiping city.

    The healer was dieing always, the only one on the party, and I asked him only to focus little more, given that he is important on the 2nd more.
    He told me to shut up.

    We had no wipes, was a good alliance so far and when we reached to Ozma I was kicked.

    I really dont understand the mentaly of the people, the healer that cany tolerate that someone ask a minot thing and the party that seems to agree with him beacuse well, it requires a mayority to be dismissed.

    Oh well.. to wait another half hour again and I hope to get an alliance as good as that one.
    I'm assuming that english is your 2nd language. It was likely just a misunderstanding though. But just from how you described the above situation, you come off being a bit abrupt and overly judgmental. Especially if there was no wipe. If you gave something specific to improve on, it might of come off better, but it sounds like you essentially just told him to do better. That's kinda like saying "git gud"
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  2. #3732
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    Obysuca's Avatar
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    Ayaminae Yirien
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    Midgardsormr
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Not really a bad moment, just a "what...? o.O". So, day 1 of 3.3 I did about 22 hullbreaker hm trying to get the new pants/body for glamour, saw nothing. Did a couple today, finally got them, except on the last run for the last boss, the tank told the new people to "grab the bombs THEN a potion". Now I'm like "o.O uh... no?", but the healer and other dps proceed to do what the tank told them....and they both die repeatedly from the combination of bombs + bullet hell lol I swear, the quality of DF gets lower each update...
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  3. #3733
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    PharisHanasaki's Avatar
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    Sodapop Jam
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    Jenova
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Obysuca View Post
    I swear, the quality of DF gets lower each update...
    Nah, you're always prone to find people like this. Specially on newer content. I had a tank for the Final Steps of Faith that wanted us to focus the Shadow Dragon last because it's hits are 'easy to evade'. Sure, you can dodge it, but you make casters and healers struggle a bit by having them interrupt their rotations/heals because the frigging dragon is everywhere. I didn't argue, but we did struggle to kill the 3 adds and wiped a couple of times. I still think it's not the most efficient way to take down the adds for this particular fight, but as the average ilvl raises this may be become a more viable option.
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  4. #3734
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    Kana Hisashi
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki View Post
    Nah, you're always prone to find people like this. Specially on newer content. I had a tank for the Final Steps of Faith that wanted us to focus the Shadow Dragon last because it's hits are 'easy to evade'. Sure, you can dodge it, but you make casters and healers struggle a bit by having them interrupt their rotations/heals because the frigging dragon is everywhere. I didn't argue, but we did struggle to kill the 3 adds and wiped a couple of times. I still think it's not the most efficient way to take down the adds for this particular fight, but as the average ilvl raises this may be become a more viable option.
    I've actually been seeing this so much, I always mark the kill order as shadow dragon first and everytime someone says "thats stupid its easy to avoid kill it last" and everytime at least 2 people manage to get the debuff and almost die but y'know im sure killing it last has nothing to do with it.
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  5. #3735
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    Ilenya's Avatar
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    Aurora Vlondett
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crescents View Post
    I've actually been seeing this so much, I always mark the kill order as shadow dragon first and everytime someone says "thats stupid its easy to avoid kill it last" and everytime at least 2 people manage to get the debuff and almost die but y'know im sure killing it last has nothing to do with it.
    I had a monk trying to tell us that one of my times in, and then tried to say we failed the DPS check because the healers let people die...When no one died that run. We had to remind him that the shadow dragon debuffs damage.
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  7. #3736
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    It's not because it's easy to avoid it's because the other two debuff the tanks.

    Shadow Dragon should always be killed last in Final Steps.
    I've never had issues when killing the Shadow Dragon first, but I've had some many wipes from letting it roam. This is the DF we're talking about...
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  8. #3737
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    Dacien Valtin
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    Odin
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Crescents View Post
    I've actually been seeing this so much, I always mark the kill order as shadow dragon first and everytime someone says "thats stupid its easy to avoid kill it last" and everytime at least 2 people manage to get the debuff and almost die but y'know im sure killing it last has nothing to do with it.
    To be fair the Shadow Dragon is killed last in Final Steps Ex because the other two debuff the tank.

    His is extremely easy to avoid too and if two people got the Shadow Dragon debuff in normal mode then it's not really the kill order thats the major problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki View Post
    I've never had issues when killing the Shadow Dragon first, but I've had some many wipes from letting it roam. This is the DF we're talking about...
    Yeah I was confused with Ex mode.

    Still if wipes happen because the shadow dragon wasn't killed first then the dps need to be better at moving away from him. If they can't avoid that really slow one attack guy then they have no chance in the next phase.
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    Last edited by Underdog2204; 06-15-2016 at 08:07 AM.

  9. #3738
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    Kana Hisashi
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    Excalibur
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    To be fair the Shadow Dragon is killed last in Final Steps Ex because the other two debuff the tank.

    His is extremely easy to avoid too and if two people got the Shadow Dragon debuff in normal mode then it's not really the kill order thats the major problem.
    This isn't a good premade team this is DF we're talking about where I've seen every dps die on the first fire breath aoe. and for casters blms especially having to avoid it longer than it would be necessary is a major drop in dps.
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  10. #3739
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crescents View Post
    This isn't a good premade team this is DF we're talking about where I've seen every dps die on the first fire breath aoe. and for casters blms especially having to avoid it longer than it would be necessary is a major drop in dps.
    I know but if they cannot avoid something so simple (he's crazy slow and has a massive windup) you think they would do better in the next phase?

    The kill order wasn't the problem.
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  11. #3740
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    I know but if they cannot avoid something so simple (he's crazy slow and has a massive windup) you think they would do better in the next phase?

    The kill order wasn't the problem.
    At least I can ascend them if they die in the other phases. If we fail the DPS check we're all doomed :/
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