Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[Avera]

House flippers aren't specifically targeting you, buying that plot to keep you out of it. They're buying it so that someone that pays an amount that they like can have it.

What about intentionally selling MB items below someone else's listed rate, to prevent them from selling their items, is that a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

Or "early pulling" a hunt while someone is still on their way, isn't that also a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

A few contradicting GM responses in game without full context doesn't prove either side, especially when there's been a thousand threads on the official forum and zero SE responses to any of them.

The one thing I want to say is: They are buying the houses to sell them for a lot more than their worth. That is a fact. Not one of the flippers I have seen is selling for a reasonable price (like the 5m I saved up for a small house) (to be continued)

[Avera]

The one thing I want to say is: They are buying the houses to sell them for a lot more than their worth. That is a fact. Not one of the flippers I have seen is selling for a reasonable price (like the 5m I saved up for a small house) (to be continued)

They are disrupting gameplay in the sense that they are locking us away from content by creating a monopoly and controlling who gets to experience housing and who does not. You can still sell on the MB and do hunts without a problem, but you cant buy a house when someone else owns it and wont sell it reasonably.

[StouterTaru]

They are disrupting gameplay in the sense that they are locking us away from content

Unless they buy every single house, they are not locking you away from content. If they give up the plot for gil, there are the same number of people experiencing housing that there otherwise would have been.

Who has the better argument:
#1 - I deserve a house because I've saved up tens of millions of gil and am willing to spend it
#2 - I deserve a house because I have 3M gil, was online at 4am on a Tuesday, and got lucky

Plot sellers shift the home owners from being 100% in #2 group to what, 95%? 90%? You really want to claim that that is the true problem with housing that needs immediate addressing?

[Avera]

Unless they buy every single house, they are not locking you away from content. If they give up the plot for gil, there are the same number of people experiencing housing that there otherwise would have been.

Who has the better argument:
#1 - I deserve a house because I've saved up tens of millions of gil and am willing to spend it
#2 - I deserve a house because I have 3M gil, was online at 4am on a Tuesday, and got lucky

Plot sellers shift the home owners from being 100% in #2 group to what, 95%? 90%? You really want to claim that that is the true problem with housing that needs immediate addressing?

Its not about who deserves the house more, we all deserve to be able to get a house. and to answer you, there was someone in Gilgamesh selling 20 or so houses in one ward of the Lavender Beds :T

[Faltrask]

I really don't see ANY point in what you are saying Stouter, you're just trolling to me, if that is really so, gj.

[Deceptistar]

Mmm on a side note i dun think anyone actually 'deserves' a house. You get it when you get it.
Its like saying the people who first bought a house 'deserves' a refund cause we payed 200m+ when it first came out xD

rather they should make any sort of 'reselling' way stricter.
(ex. reselling allowed only once per 6months or so by way of square account management system >> w/ no way to relinquish ingame)

[Snugglebutt]

House flippers aren't specifically targeting you, buying that plot to keep you out of it. They're buying it so that someone that pays an amount that they like can have it.

What about intentionally selling MB items below someone else's listed rate, to prevent them from selling their items, is that a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

Or "early pulling" a hunt while someone is still on their way, isn't that also a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

A few contradicting GM responses in game without full context doesn't prove either side, especially when there's been a thousand threads on the official forum and zero SE responses to any of them.

House flippers do lock people out of it and they are assholes for doing so. They lock out the people who saved up enough to afford to pay what SE told them they would have to pay for it if they wanted one. There is no other item sold in the game by the game itself which springs to mind that is both limited and with a maximum price dictated by SE. NPC stuff for example is unlimited so it is not against rules to buy from NPC and resell higher since anyone can buy the same thing from the NPC an infinite amount of times if they wanted at the original price, event items are limited but SE only set the minimum price or they make it market prohibited, 99% of the things in market board are unlimited and the 1% that is not SE only set the minimum price. Housing plots are limited and have a maximum price set by SE.

Other than event items where the event wont be repeated and maybe a few FC airship venture items (because it is tied to owning an FC house so is reliant on already existing FC home owners within the already limited housing stock)...everything else in the market board is unlimited in the sense of anyone can make or obtain them given time and effort. Plots however are extremely limited and only 1-3% of the subscribers in this game can own one at all. SE decides the maximum price of plots while on all other items sold to players from the game itself it is either potentially unlimited or SE only set the minimum price. People save up enough to pay what SE says is the maximum they should pay for plots...house flippers take advantage by buying the limited stock at that price then locking the people out of it who also saved up the same amount the flippers paid by reselling for often ten times or more the price SE told people it would cost at most.

On the topic of conflicting GM responses there was one posted recently which I have seen and said it is against the rules to buy and resell plots...I assume you have a screenshots of a GM response saying it is not against the rules which can link or show here since claimed there was conflicting responses? Or are you just making assumptions based on how few people have been punished? If that is your evidence then that is not conflicting GM responses but merely an assumption on your part. If you have a screenshot of GM's telling you it is not against the rules to buy and resell plots then please show it.

[Faltrask]

Mmm on a side note i dun think anyone actually 'deserves' a house. You get it when you get it.
Its like saying the people who first bought a house 'deserves' a refund cause we payed 200m+ when it first came out xD

rather they should make any sort of 'reselling' way stricter.
(ex. reselling allowed only once per 6months or so by way of square account management system >> w/ no way to relinquish ingame)

What? xD Refund for what, most of them have been used gardening to get most of the money back!

[MikeWW]

Snugglebutt, the official stance is flipping is against ToS under disruptive behavior. There used to be conflicting information given out by GM's, but a GM supervisor clarified and made sure all GM's have the same stance now.



As for people defending house flipping, house flippers do nothing good, they just compound the issue of lack of housing. Not only is there lack of housing, now people have to pay more because some vegetables force themselves into the middle man position, and those with can't buy houses due to house flippers taking houses either get no house ever, have to farm significantly more gil to buy from house flippers, buy gil with money, or buy houses with money. No one benefits from house flippers except house flippers.

Yes, there should be more housing. No, that does not mean house flippers are fine, doo doo head.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

House flippers aren't specifically targeting you, buying that plot to keep you out of it. They're buying it so that someone that pays an amount that they like can have it.

What about intentionally selling MB items below someone else's listed rate, to prevent them from selling their items, is that a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

Or "early pulling" a hunt while someone is still on their way, isn't that also a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

A few contradicting GM responses in game without full context doesn't prove either side, especially when there's been a thousand threads on the official forum and zero SE responses to any of them.

Disruptive behavior doesn't have to target a specific person.

You can't monopolize hunts or marekt board spots.
There are always hunts spawning, and if someone wants to do the hunt content they can.
There's not even any way to prevent someone from using the market board, as you can't keep people from hiring retainers.

Buying up housing, and holding it hostage until someone meets your demands locks off plenty of content that people have no other way to access.
Houses don't randomly appear available for people to buy, they have to be specifically added by SE.
They've even disabled the feature to kick people out of homes they aren't actually using. Though I can understand why... But there's some negatives as well, future precedent as well....

If SE wanted people selling plots of land to each other, they would have implemented a system to do so.