Token exchange for the Primal Birds

[Blossoms]

Ok I just wanted to let you know I got my bird only took 215kills and also the strangest thing happened we saw 5birds drop in less then 10runs:

[Jetstream_Fox]

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You missed my point entirely, if you're getting a group together or going solo, logging hours, killing the boss, over and over and over again, you're putting in work and effort, to get the reward, just like you wake up everyday and go to work to get a paycheck. If you don't get that reward you'll eventually quit the content, just like if your job didn't give you a paycheck you'd quit said job.

I never once stated you should get handed the item on the first drop so I don't know where you get this whole "you're not entitled to win because you pay" thing at. I'm pretty sure I been saying everyone should have the ability to obtain all gear in the game, which is the whole point of playing it the game.

This thing about que times? That has nothing to do with drops, that has to do with what is relevant at the time, as I stated earlier content is going die, less people are using DF to get into Titan verse Bismarck, why? Not because the reward, because Titan is old content that 98% of the community has likely farmed out and cleared and Bismarck isn't. The samething will happen to all 3.0 content when 4.0 drops.

[Ovenmitts]

You missed my point entirely, if you're getting a group together or going solo, logging hours, killing the boss, over and over and over again, you're putting in work and effort, to get the reward, just like you wake up everyday and go to work to get a paycheck. If you don't get that reward you'll eventually quit the content, just like if your job didn't give you a paycheck you'd quit said job.

I never once stated you should get handed the item on the first drop so I don't know where you get this whole "you're not entitled to win because you pay" thing at. I'm pretty sure I been saying everyone should have the ability to obtain all gear in the game, which is the whole point of playing it the game.

This thing about que times? That has nothing to do with drops, that has to do with what is relevant at the time, as I stated earlier content is going die, less people are using DF to get into Titan verse Bismarck, why? Not because the reward, because Titan is old content that 98% of the community has likely farmed out and cleared and Bismarck isn't. The samething will happen to all 3.0 content when 4.0 drops.

Everyone does have the ability to get everything in the game. That's obvious. What you're arguing is that you deserve this mount, which is a completely optional mount that does nothing to help you in any other aspect of the game, just for doing this many runs.

This is called entitlement. Have you ever heard of the concept of rare items? They're rare. As in, you need to be lucky to get them. You can do a few hundred runs to skew the odds in your favor, but that's really all you can do. You don't need a bird mount to survive. You don't need a bird mount to raid. You're doing this of your own volition purely because you want a mount that you'll probably get tired of in a month.

When ilevels become hyper inflated like they have for pony primals, hey, you may be able to get it in 50 runs. But at no point do you deserve something just because you forced yourself to grind content for hours.

[Miste]

I'm pretty sure I been saying everyone should have the ability to obtain all gear in the game, which is the whole point of playing it.

99% of the game is just like that though. Anyone can obtain anything.

The other 1% is the Savage raid gear which is too difficult for a lot of people to clear and the low drop mounts from primals. (some other difficult to obtain things like Cloud Card and Fenrir although they are increasingly nerfing both of those recently. I mean I really can't think of too many things that are really difficult to obtain tbh.)

They have to put in some special stuff for people to get if they spend the extra effort/time and fight the RNG because there are certain players who enjoy such things. It's also only rare for a little while since we know now that SE will increase the drop rate later. So it isn't like you cannot ever obtain them you just can't get it right away. The primal ponies drop like hot cakes now if that tells you anything. My boyfriend and I duo'd Garuda, Titan, Ifrit, and Shiva recently and got him all 4 of those ponies within a couple of runs each. He didn't have to roll against anyone but you can get all 8 of a group a pony from one of them in probably an hour or less.

I do agree the 2.0 primal pony drop rate (at the time they first added them) was way too low. It was like 1% so you'd go 100+ runs and not see even one of them drop. So I did advocate that the drop rate was too low for those in the past. Back then we had no idea SE would EVER nerf them and 1% was just pointless due to the fact that you only have a 1% chance to see one compounded on rolling against 7 other people for the win which basically meant you only had a like 0.1% chance to obtain one (or maybe even less too lazy to do the math). No one really farmed the ponies because the rate was too low to bother. If I had known they would nerf the drop rate I wouldn't have cared though since I knew I could just get them later if I didn't want to deal with the RNG.

The new primal birds on the other hand have a significantly higher drop rate (it is somewhere between 5%-10%) than the original drop rate of the primal ponies. So most of the time if you work for it you'll win one eventually because they drop far more frequently. This isn't to say some people don't unfortunately get really unlucky, it happens, but if you want them NOW instead of when they nerf the drop rate then you gotta just keep trying and deal with the RNG.

So it isn't really an argument to say "everyone should be able to obtain everything" because you can....you just wait a few months and everyone can get one because they'll drop all the time and as the game progresses those fights become easier and easier and quicker to beat.

Anyway that is just some stuff to think about. I personally wouldn't care if they added something to avoid RNG issues (I'm too laid back to care either way) but I think they likely won't do that because instead of doing that they just make them super easy to obtain later and leave it rare for the people who wanna fight RNG to get it right away.

[Ovenmitts]

If they did what these people really want and add a token system for mounts, which I see the popular number is like 100 tokens, I would think that would do the opposite of what everyone expects. It would kill content faster! Think about it. FFXIV gates gear with the rat race tome farms every week. There's a reason they haven't increased the lore cap above a certain number because that would reduce the amount of time people need minimum in order to obtain gear. If all people needed was 100 tokens to get a lanner, most hardcores would have the content done within a few days tops. Then content would die even faster while we wait in between drought between patches. Even more so if the lanner drops in the instance before the 100 tokens.

If XIV had a different system to keep people logging in more often besides tomes, I'd definitely be open to it. The game really needs to get with it and give us more than two dungeons to occupy our time.

[Stormfur]

I really wish they'd just increase the drop rate when they release new mounts like this. Not quite to the level of the primal ponies right out of the gate, but something more than the seemingly .000001% chance we have now.

[Zojha]

If they did what these people really want and add a token system for mounts, which I see the popular number is like 100 tokens, I would think that would do the opposite of what everyone expects. It would kill content faster!

If you add the tokens to the drops? Yes. Because the guy who only had to run it once cannot be statistically compensated by the poor sod that never even saw the thing after 1000 runs (Both being statistical outliers, of course).
If you have the tokens substitute the drop? All that changes is that everyone needs to run it equally often, the average remains the same. Yay same effort for same reward!

And for items like these, you can even go super fancy and hide the tokens, substituting them with a hidden counter in the background that will force drop the item after X amount of runs - but only for you. That way, you even get the satisfaction of getting the item directly, instead of from the vendor.

[TaurielKyudo]

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for an end goal. I've been doing bird farms at least once a week every week since these dropped. I only have 88 totems for bis, and 42 for rav. Why? Because farm parties, even if they are good and you are doing bis in 5 mins, only last max about 10 runs. And sometimes even fewer, especially if were talking rav, where people still don't understand the fight and eventually disband. Not to mention just getting a party together. It's just a little disheartening to actually see a bird drop, lose it, and then not see one again for many runs. I would even vote for 200 totems to exchange if you guys are that worried about the longevity of the content. But at least if I don't get my bird in any of those, I could work towards something. And for those who have been saying once you get it you just stop doing content...not really. My friend got his bis bird luckily in his first few tries farming, and he's been helping us try and get ours ever since. So that logic isn't really there. People will still do it. As someone mentioned earlier, there's still plenty of pony farms out there. I just want a pretty bird, is that so much to ask? T.T

[Nora_of_Mira]

Yeah, as I linked from my own thread. I had to do bismark EX 331 times to finally win the white lanner mount. I helped quite a few people get their clears and if you do the math on it: 331 runs at 8 minutes a run, thats roughly 44.13333 hours of doing NOTHING but that fight. So yeah, people should definitely be able to turn in those tokens for mounts. Even if it's 99 of them.

this depresses me.

[SoloNightlock]

Appaeantly i'm just a lucky #!÷hole cuz i got my yhordan mount on clear number 9 @_@