RENT: A Better Housing Solution

[alimdia]

Be it 90, 60 or 45 days, as long as there's a check for active subscription I'm 100% in favor, paying customers shouldn't be losing their house, but fully inactive people who aren't paying their sub shouldn't keep it either.

[Lithe]

No one likes Mr. Whiny-pants.

I'm sorry. Who made this cry baby thread again? c:

[Caitlinzulu]

Part of the problem is people buying houses for selling. Just using an account to determine if they should keep their house wond hinder them in the slightest. With the 45 days reclamation timer you force them to log into each of their character to keep their houses which will hinder them a bit.
Also 45 days is long enough in my opinion, there aren't a lot of situations where you will be away from the game long enough for that to be an issue. Some say they want a break, i'd say you dont really need a house. And all the accidents, job loss, .... some people keep talking about makes it seem that playing the game is a very very dangerous thing.
To the people that claim that they suddenly introduced reclaim and they wouldnt have bought a house if they knew, when the player housing was first introduced there was supposed to be a 30 day reclaim system introduced alongside it. It got recalled after player outrage untill something could be put in place that wouldnt have you lose everything. So its not something new.

If it matters I do own a medium house.

[Zfz]

I just don't understand why there were tons of vacant spots for nearly 2 years and like, over the span of two months, everything remaining got bought.

Prices were astronomical relative to the economy at that point in time. And at that point in time, gil was very limited. The main source of gil was quest rewards during leveling. Other than that, gil generally came from either crafting (i.e. transfer of wealth from player to player), or running FATEs repeatedly, or leve quests. And it was at a time when dungeons gave gil through coin drops in chests which had to be divided between the party members---only to get nerfed because bots were farming those chests.

Not to mention Yoshi-P said that housing would be afforadable but released it priced for only the richest hierarchy (which at that time meant the crafters who caught the initial relic market selling pre-relic weapons at 400k a pop at the peak on a non-legacy server, practically a non-crafting player's full fortune as a fresh 50).

Only then came the housing price adjustments, more gil income sources, and so the housing rush that you talked about. FFXIV economy wasn't always what it is today.

Back to the topic, I used to want a house of my own, but now I just want one of those apartment rooms I heard that they're considering.

[Solarra]

Part of the problem is people buying houses for selling.

Rent won't stop that.
All the OP's proposal will do is take a few more private houses away from people. It won't solve the housing shortage and it won't stop people buying multiple plots and/or flipping.
If we continue down this path of taking things away from people if they don't log in, then the game is going to suffer. Giving people less reasons to come back after taking a break will probably result in lost revenue for the company and fewer people for us to play with, that's bad for everyone.

And all the accidents, job loss, .... some people keep talking about makes it seem that playing the game is a very very dangerous thing

No need for that. Those of us who have been affected by these things shouldn't have to justify ourselves to you or to anyone else.
If you haven't personally had to deal with a crisis and you don't know anybody else who has, then all I can say is you are very lucky.
You are aware of why the reclamation has been suspended, aren't you? You might want to think before making flippant remarks like that.

[Rakiria]

I am still on the side that thinks the 45 days should be based on if your account is active not if you signed on.

That leaves houses for alts to be kept for reselling. The people that buy houses on multiple characters are a huge part of the problem, plus, if you don't want to keep a house on an alt, you wouldn't be able to get the money from automatic demolishion.

[AnduinLynn]

How is this a cry baby thread? It is about opening up more houses for the active player base to use, and not for inactive people who pop in only to proc the timer and then leave. If you set more requirements to what is necessary to hold a house, it eliminates the lazy self-entitled people who'll hold a plot for the sake of holding a plot. This in turn allows for people who really want a house, to work for it, and to enjoy it more. Rent/tokens is simply a means of weeding out those who don't really care about it anymore, but are too selfish or prideful to relinquish the plot.

Sorry that there are people who want a house and are poking at your precious, but believe it or not just because you're content and happy that you've got a house, doesn't mean everything is okay.

[StouterTaru]

This in turn allows for people who really want a house, to work for it, and to enjoy it more. Rent/tokens is simply a means of weeding out those who don't really care about it anymore, but are too selfish or prideful to relinquish the plot.

Hopefully prices are going through the roof in 3.3, so those who really want a house and work for it will get them. As far as enjoying it more, that sentiment is what makes this a crybaby thread. It's hard to use that argument without sounding like a petulant child begging for something from mom and dad.

You're idea of weeding out of those who don't care is by making housing a chore for them, as well as the people that do care.

[Lithe]

How is this a cry baby thread? It is about opening up more houses for the active player base to use, and not for inactive people who pop in only to proc the timer and then leave. If you set more requirements to what is necessary to hold a house, it eliminates the lazy self-entitled people who'll hold a plot for the sake of holding a plot. This in turn allows for people who really want a house, to work for it, and to enjoy it more. Rent/tokens is simply a means of weeding out those who don't really care about it anymore, but are too selfish or prideful to relinquish the plot.

I worked hard to save the gil for my house. I'm sorry not everyone was able to, but I shouldn't be penalized for my hard work just because some kid can't have a shiny. They are making new housing wards soon, so how about you just save your gil for new housing and let us be. I don't like the fact people are greedy and get alt housing any more than you guys do, but the answer isn't to penalize all of us.

[raymon]

what about free company housing?