30 Minute Lockout for Leaving Roulette's isn't Working as Intended.

[MrPresident]

I think the penalty is fine as it is. If people have a certain instance they hate and won't even attempt and bail instantly, then they've already gotten their punishment in the 30 minute ban. If SE cave and listen to people who want these ridiculous punishments then all that will happen is no one will ever leave an instance. They'll just derp around and/or AFK until you kick them to avoid punishment.

[LineageRazor]

I think the penalty is fine as it is. If people have a certain instance they hate and won't even attempt and bail instantly, then they've already gotten their punishment in the 30 minute ban. If SE cave and listen to people who want these ridiculous punishments then all that will happen is no one will ever leave an instance. They'll just derp around and/or AFK until you kick them to avoid punishment.

This is why vote kick ALSO is WAY too softball. The same penalties that apply when you abandon an instance should be applied when you are kicked from an instance. I suppose it'd be reasonable only to apply the penalty to folks who are vote-kicked with "Harrassment" as the reason selected. This would put the power to inflict the penalty or not into the hands of the party majority.

Folks whine that this is unfair to folks that are kicked for a legitimate d/c, or whatever, but currently folks abusing this feature to get out of an instance they don't like with no penalty is FAR more common than legit d/c's. Folks also fear that troll parties could use this as a tool to harrass people, but that's REALLY stretching things; while it could happen, it's very, very rare that people will form parties simply to harrass players.

And for folks saying that a 30 minute penalty is fine as it is, simply look to this thread. There are PLENTY of people here justifying cases where they'll eat the penalty because they hate some instance or another. That's exactly the point of the original post: if the penalty is so weak that players consider it preferable to take the punishment, then the penalty is not doing its job.

[FinaSel]

This is why vote kick ALSO is WAY too softball. The same penalties that apply when you abandon an instance should be applied when you are kicked from an instance. I suppose it'd be reasonable only to apply the penalty to folks who are vote-kicked with "Harrassment" as the reason selected.

What I would like to see is a 30-minute permanent mark next to the person's name, like the green-leaf, for people who get kicked due to harassment. This way everyone knows that they acted inappropriately. Or maybe a 1-day permanent mark if someone gets vote kicked for harassment 5 or 10 times or something.

If they feel that they were not harassing anyone, but were kicked for another reason (like difference in play style or being a first timer), they should report it to a GM and the GM should take some action against the person who initiated the vote kick.

In a perfect world.

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

I have ran a duty before, where, the cleric was using cleric stance throughout the dungeon when I told him nicely, the guy said " because I'm cool that", so I'm like nevermind. The tank wasn't tanking either using skills that doesn't generate enimity. The other DPS wasn't doing much. So.. obviously the mobs will mostly fly to me and the dps made a sarcastic remark " wow how do you tank like this, so awesome". So I've had enough and decided to vote kick, despite explaining and explaining how to make the run work.was rejected and I got kicked instead, I found out later on that they were all in the same FC and they were friends. So yeah do I deserve the mark too?

Understand that when extreme measures are implemented, there will be drawbacks, the more extreme the implementation the bigger the drawback. We have a blacklist and I've seen people who have no clue that soloing A rank hunts is prohibited getting blacklisted by all the hunt linkshell. Having another thing to shame someone isn't a good idea.

[FinaSel]

So I've had enough and decided to vote kick, despite explaining and explaining how to make the run work.was rejected and I got kicked instead, I found out later on that they were all in the same FC and they were friends. So yeah do I deserve the mark too?

I've never been in a group like that before. I'm sorry to hear about your experience.

But as I mentioned in my post, if a player is unjustifiably kicked then it is abuse of the system, which should be reported to GMs. (In a perfect world) the GMs would actually investigate the matter and impose a harsher punishment on the one who abused the vote kick system.

[Whiteroom]

I've never been in a group like that before. I'm sorry to hear about your experience.

But as I mentioned in my post, if a player is unjustifiably kicked then it is abuse of the system, which should be reported to GMs. (In a perfect world) the GMs would actually investigate the matter and impose a harsher punishment on the one who abused the vote kick system.

It has been stated before that a different playstyle from the majority is a valid kick, and that pretty much anything falls under this blanket. TBH, putting a punishment of any form on people who are kicked, other than the actual removal just opens the door for troll teams, or threats of a kick for doing things like rolling on loot. This is one of those things you have to think through when proposing.

The 30 minute abandon rule is pretty good, because its not so harsh that it promotes a huge amount of trolling for kicks, but annoying enough that most will just stick with it rather than leave. I have seen a huge decrease in the number of people leaving since its implementation. The goal of any of these measures should be to stem the issue, without creating new ones.

[FinaSel]

TBH, putting a punishment of any form on people who are kicked, other than the actual removal just opens the door for troll teams, or threats of a kick for doing things like rolling on loot.

I see your point.
I believe I am naive about this still, as I have yet to actually encounter a troll team in DF. I have encountered a troll player a couple times, but they were removed as soon as possible with a vote kick.

[Whiteroom]

This is why vote kick ALSO is WAY too softball. The same penalties that apply when you abandon an instance should be applied when you are kicked from an instance. I suppose it'd be reasonable only to apply the penalty to folks who are vote-kicked with "Harrassment" as the reason selected. This would put the power to inflict the penalty or not into the hands of the party majority.

You really didn't think this through at all, did you? Like not even for a second.




Actually, please tell me it was a troll post, and I am just way to tired to see it. It has to be, because it is probably hands down the worst, and worst thought out, idea I have read on these forums.

Lately I've had a bunch of people dropping out as soon as they load in because the don't like the dungeon. Instead of increasing the lockout time I'd like it if you were locked into that dungeon until you complete it; so for example if you drop from Steps of Fate every time you queue for trial roulette you get nothing but Steps of Fate until you complete it.

I had this thought before, and I think it is a pretty good one. There are some flaws, like if you don't log in for so long afterwards, it is dead content. But they are pretty minor. I think setting this for a week or two count down would be a good idea. Of course it would have to reset when roulettes roll over patches and the like.