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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    I think she was red/orange, based on the tapestry we see in the main scenario;

    Ratatoskr


    Nidhogg


    I kinda want to go through that poster of all the Celestial Dragons again now...

    1. Midgardsormr
    2. Hraesvelgr
    3. Tiamat
    4. Bahamut? Possibly Ratatoskr, though the proximity to Tiamat and wings being so prominent has me thinking this is a pre-Primal pre-Allag augmentation Bahamut. It also kinda looks like the hand is right?
    5. Nidhogg
    6. ?
    7. Ratatoskr? Horns facing forward like the previous illustration, and there might be four of them? Colour is close too.
    8. ?

    None of them are actually a good match for the illustration from the main scenario... I guess Ishgard might just be lazy in their depiction of dragons? Ratatoskr was displayed exactly the same as Nidhogg, except orange...
    I'm sure Number 7 is indeeed Ratatoskr
    Number 4 it has to be Bahamut for sereval reasons. First it does look very similar to primal Bahamut, also another thing is that all those gold pieces on Bahamut arent of him, its from the allagans. Look at a picture of Bahamut, recome all the gold and tell me it doesnt look similar to the real one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    'Memory' implies the statue is a memorial etc.
    It says "along with the memory of thine [...] wings." To me that doesn't sound so much like a memorial as it does a tribute to something the dragon did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    Giga post
    I'm glad someone else looked into this! I agree with most of your post, though I put Bahamut as 6 since it seems the most similar to the primal version appearance-wise. I think Ratatoskr is 4, because a) the colour is the most similar to that shown in the tapestry (it isn't completely accurate, but neither is Nidhogg - he's definitely blue, but shown as black) b) it suits her horn placement, and

    c) Ratatoskr, Hraesvelgr and Nidhogg were named after creatures from Norse mythology, Nidhogg after a great dragon and Hraesvelgr after a giant who take the shape of an eagle, which is reflected in their appearances. Ratatoskr was named after the squirrel who ran up and down the world tree Yggdrasil carrying messages between an unnamed eagle and Nidhogg (also hinted at with the placement of her old nesting grounds in the CM; Tharl Oom Khash lies directly between Zenith and the Aery), which suggests her appearance will likely have been similarly influenced. 4 is the most squirrel-like out of all them, going off the shape of her body and face.
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    So much untouched interesting stuff in the 3.0 areas so far. Hoping "the House of Letters"? is a dungeon at some point, as well as Zenith. Also there is a small hole in a cliff face in the far north west of the hinterlands, and those big doors in the Forelands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
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    If 3 is not Tiamat, which do you place as Tiamat? Pay her a visit in Azys Lla, I'm almost 100% certain 3 is Tiamat. The only other one with a remotely similar face is 6, but 3 is really a dead ringer for Tiamat... Plus 3 is green, Tiamat should* be green.

    Between 4, 6, 7 and 8 I'm also fairly certain 4 is Bahamut. If you strip away the Allagan augmentations, he seems to have only horns going back along his head, possibly similar to 4 (it's a weird angle). We can rule out 7, since it has 4 claws, where as Bahamut has/had 3. Can't see much of 8, but that face is waaay off so lets just rule him out. That leaves 4 and 6, and given 6 seems to have a long neck I'd go for 4, since Bahamut, at least the Primal version, has a stubby little neck. 6 at least has horns going back, but they seem too far off his neck to be Bahamut, too.

    *Incarnations where she hasn't been green or associated with wind annoy me; Why is she a fire dragon in XI?! She was originally the Fiend of Wind ffs! Missing heads I can forgive, but associating her with Fire irks me to no end... They even did it here... We talk to here and regain the Fire Crystal for our Blessing of Light! This annoys me far more than it should... At least, based on this artwork, she's meant to be green...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    If 3 is not Tiamat, which do you place as Tiamat? Pay her a visit in Azys Lla, I'm almost 100% certain 3 is Tiamat. The only other one with a remotely similar face is 6, but 3 is really a dead ringer for Tiamat... Plus 3 is green, Tiamat should* be green.

    Between 4, 6, 7 and 8 I'm also fairly certain 4 is Bahamut. If you strip away the Allagan augmentations, he seems to have only horns going back along his head, possibly similar to 4 (it's a weird angle). We can rule out 7, since it has 4 claws, where as Bahamut has/had 3. Can't see much of 8, but that face is waaay off so lets just rule him out. That leaves 4 and 6, and given 6 seems to have a long neck I'd go for 4, since Bahamut, at least the Primal version, has a stubby little neck. 6 at least has horns going back, but they seem too far off his neck to be Bahamut, too.

    *Incarnations where she hasn't been green or associated with wind annoy me; Why is she a fire dragon in XI?! She was originally the Fiend of Wind ffs! Missing heads I can forgive, but associating her with Fire irks me to no end... They even did it here... We talk to here and regain the Fire Crystal for our Blessing of Light! This annoys me far more than it should... At least, based on this artwork, she's meant to be green...
    ...? I never said Tiamat isn't 3, it's obvious that it's her. Unless you saw my post before I corrected my typo.

    There is no way 4 is Bahamut. It looks nothing like its primal incarnation, or even any other FF version of Bahamut we've seen to date. The horns don't resemble his either; they don't even look particularly horn-like, which would better match Ratatoskr's image given her namesake (see my other post.) 4 also has quite a docile, gentle face in comparison to the others, that suits more what we've heard of Ratatoskr than Bahamut.

    I think Bahamut's "stubbiness" and other minor differences were a result of his "resurrection" - I don't think the original Bahamut looked like that, as all the other dragons are elongated and serpentine like Midgardsormr.
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    6 (bottom one) is definitely Bahamut; same large horns as Tiamat, and the Bahamut minion...

    4 I'd say is Ratatoskr, only due to the horn direction.
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    I'm definitely with the "4 is Bahamut, 7 is Ratatoskr" team. 7 is the only one whose horns really match that Ishgardian relief (four curved, forward-facing horns, two on each side, one above and one below). Considering that Primal!Bahamut was summoned by Tiamat and others who knew him in life, it's not unreasonable to assume that he bears more than a passing resemblance to the real thing, and 6 has an eagle-like beak that is absent in Primal!Bahamut (also, less horns).
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    I seem to remember An interview before Heavensward came out, where Yoshida named one of the dragons Nizbeck. Have we found out if that's one of the unseen dragons' names, or was it just a mistranslation of Nidhogg?
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    The Japanese name for Niddhog is, in fact, ニーズヘッグ (Niizhegg), so it was likely Niddhog, yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey View Post
    I seem to remember An interview before Heavensward came out, where Yoshida named one of the dragons Nizbeck. Have we found out if that's one of the unseen dragons' names, or was it just a mistranslation of Nidhogg?
    That was likely a mistranslation of the Japanese pronunciation of Nidhogg, ニーズヘッグ (niizuheggu.)
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