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  1. #71
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    Zari Lutus
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    Oh boy seems this thread has devolved into another "healers dont NEED to dps so they shouldnt do it" thread
    These forums are always a fun time arent they?
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  2. #72
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    Sida Bajihri
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    One thing about scholars, and leaving their co-healer to solo heal that's often skipped in these conversations. Even if I, as a WHM, was solohealing a fight with SCH co-heal who doesn't leave the CS, the SCH is still healing. How? because they have their pet out. Each and every WHM and AST can't rightly say they solohealed this or that fight with SCH as co-heal who just dps'ed as long as there was fairy too. It's just part of their toolkit, even if the skills you most actively are using are dps ones you're still healing. If your raid wants you to dps only, try to see how far you get without summoning your pet.
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    If you say 'pls' because it's shorter than 'please', I say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'.

  3. #73
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    I have a question. Could SCH solo heal the endgame content if allowed?

    In the mmo's I've played, I've always remembered endgame content allowing little flexibility. Your role, gear, and even rotation all have requirements. You sometimes have to accept that you get your fill on the way to that content. The four man instances where SCH gets to utilize both healing and dps ability is what spoils many of us I think. Even those who claim to have dps 90% of the time know that they had to save some asses. We've all had those battles where too much dmg is happening for the fairy to handle, and you have to step up.

    I've looked at some vids of endgame, and I see SCH's are busy as bees. They're mitigating. All the time. Our best healing abilities cost stacks or massive CD, and can't be used liberally. I know everyone doesn't do extensive research prior to leveling a job, but you are allowed to level multiple classes of the same role. It's just unfortunate none worked out for OP.
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  4. #74
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    Key Burz
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    So this guy is complaining about scholar being part dps. What?

    He then says scholar doesnt have the healing ability that whm or ast has, so itll never be the main healer. Uh no. For aoe healing, you do succor. If you need more, emergency tactics then another succor. If you need more, throw in indomitability as well. For single targeting, adlo then emergency tactics+ adlo. If galvanize is still up, next cast is physick, if not, another adlo. Not to mention that you have lustrate, which is like a benediction except it doesnt have the annoying lag time, plus you get to have it broken up into 3 parts.

    For large sustained continuous small damage (aka big ass dungeon pull) theres an old tecnique I used to do way back in the days of amdapor keep. Its called chaining adloquiums. You watch the tank's hp very carefully, and you time the next adloquium to fall on the tank right as the previous one falls off. This essentially gives the tank 100% immunity from dying. You get the timing right, the tank is invincible. You get the timing wrong, then your shields clip and its completely worthless. It doesnt matter how much trash he pulls, he could pull the whole freaken dungeon. Before HW release, mana regen in relation to level 50 was high enough that you could chain adloquium back to back for about 30 seconds before you had to energy drain. Nowadays its closer to 20 seconds, so its more of a last resort, after lustrates and emergency is down.
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  5. #75
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    I just "Liked" the OP post as I think this is a very good and well-thought troll post. It would not generate 9 pages of the same stuff that has been discussed to death here over and over again otherwise. :-)
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  6. #76
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    It reflects pretty well the heaing meta we have at the moment. If its a troll, it just shows how sad healing community is at the moment.
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zari View Post
    Oh boy seems this thread has devolved into another "healers dont NEED to dps so they shouldnt do it" thread
    These forums are always a fun time arent they?
    I haven't really seen this sentiment expressed anywhere in the thread and certainly not repeatedly. Would you mind quoting some specific posts?
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  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zari View Post
    Oh boy seems this thread has devolved into another "healers dont NEED to dps so they shouldnt do it" thread
    These forums are always a fun time arent they?
    Wanting to be responsible for more than shielding one or two attacks on the healer side personally doesn't mean that I don't want to DPS. It just means that scholars spend less time healing than a Warrior does tanking. And no, Embrace, while micromanaged, doesn't count as my own personal heals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    With that perspective, then you also should not take credit for any of your fairy's AoE abilities as well as they are not part of your own 'personal' tool kit.

    I sympathize with you OP. When I played XI, I leveled WAR wanting to be a tank. I got to tank, and LOVED it. Until I hit 40 and thrown into DPS and be a 'backup' tank. So now if I wanted to tank, I would have to level a job I didn't care for. It was hard to stomach that. But what I think this board is trying to convince you of, is your shields and heals are still very important and very much required. One thing I've learned about mmos is that dmg mitigation is ALWAYS welcome. In any instance. You have far more ability to do so than any other job in this game. You shield, and fairy heals. That is the SCH way. Is a shift in perspective entirely out of the question?
    I don't take credit for any of my pets abilities, while micromanaged or otherwise. Anyone that knows the job even partially is well aware that it's not a scholar ability, but a fairy ability. That's why Selene is the popular one, not Eso.

    A shift in perspective sadly is impossible. I don't enjoy being a glorified DPS as a tank or healer. Hence why I would raid on DPS jobs.
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    Last edited by Thunda_Cat_SMASH; 04-18-2016 at 07:26 AM.

  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiraKarea View Post
    I just "Liked" the OP post as I think this is a very good and well-thought troll post. It would not generate 9 pages of the same stuff that has been discussed to death here over and over again otherwise. :-)
    Why do you think it's a troll?

    Someone leveling a healer all the way to 60, grinding out gear so they can raid and then learning that they're just going to be a budget summoner who casts Adlo two or three times sounds like a pretty awful experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    ..And no, Embrace, while micromanaged, doesn't count as my own personal heals.
    With that perspective, then you also should not take credit for any of your fairy's AoE abilities as well as they are not part of your own 'personal' tool kit.

    I sympathize with you OP. When I played XI, I leveled WAR wanting to be a tank. I got to tank, and LOVED it. Until I hit 40 and thrown into DPS and be a 'backup' tank. So now if I wanted to tank, I would have to level a job I didn't care for. It was hard to stomach that. But what I think this board is trying to convince you of, is your shields and heals are still very important and very much required. One thing I've learned about mmos is that dmg mitigation is ALWAYS welcome. In any instance. You have far more ability to do so than any other job in this game. You shield, and fairy heals. That is the SCH way. Is a shift in perspective entirely out of the question?
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