Biggest disappointment as a Scholar.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Welllllll I only do dungeons as sch ( Never done or Never will do raids) and yes the fairy mostly heals but sch is a defensive healer while your fairy brings the embrace, its amazing when you do it right just keep practicing and you'll eventually get it

Dungeons? All I do is spam DPS spells mindlessly while Selene heals everything. Not a whole lot to get. In 8 man content? I /wave at the other healer and proceed to spend the entire instance spamming DPS spells while Selene heals, occasionally throwing an adlo if the tank needs it, or an Indomitibility. I'm not healing, I'm not watching HP bars unless the WHM or AST suddenly dies, and even then just long enough to throw a Lustrate or two at the tank after rezzing the other healer, then I go back to facerolling DPS spells. There's no healing that I'm ever actively doing, and I find it to be the most boring tripe in this game. It sucks, cause I like the idea behind Scholar, but the execution is just, 'Glorified DPS'.

[Tint]

[...] There's no healing that I'm ever actively doing, and I find it to be the most boring tripe in this game. It sucks, cause I like the idea behind Scholar, but the execution is just, 'Glorified DPS'.

yupp, and that's the reason i prefer whm / ast over any combo with a sch. sure, sch is a powerfull healer. but it seems most players just play sch to be carried through the raids. if their healing sucks? who cares, the whm will handle it. if their dps sucks? who cares, the actual dps will handle it. in practice sch is just a dps role with a much simpler dps-rotation wich leads to a magnet for bad players.
i really love having a good scholar as my co-heal. but that happens almost never xD

[Rydia_Feymarchian]

Dungeons? All I do is spam DPS spells mindlessly while Selene heals everything. In 8 man content? I /wave at the other healer and proceed to spend the entire instance spamming DPS spells while Selene heals, occasionally throwing an adlo if the tank needs it, or an Indomitibility.

Suuure, I just finished Neverreap leaving all heals on Selene while I dpsed. Also, with cohealers I usually throw a succor between dps rotations, to help them (you know, we're mitigation) and- seriously, if you don't like it, don't play it. I love scholar, I love contribuiting to the game in different ways and I have fun. If you don't like the class, don't complain so much, others may love it. (Also, you're oh-so-doing that job in a wrong way...)

Heck, I dislike ninja but I don't go all aroudn saying 'ugh, I tried this class but it feels so lame", I just stopped leveling it up for now.

Also, the healer part of the forum isn't the best part where to discuss why one of the healing classes is 'lazy' and such :P

Did you miss the part where I micro-manage my fairy constantly? I'm always telling her who to heal. That's what I don't like. I don't like that, as a healer, my own personal job is to keep hammering my DPS spells while yelling at the actual healer of the duo, the fairy, to throw cure bombs at X, Y, or Z. My fairy's heals =/= my heals. Embrace is not a job or class skill, it's a pet skill.

Now, I can understand someone not liking pet micromanagement, I quit summoner because moving Garuda around wasn't funny for me, but... eh. IT doesn't mean a class is 'bad' because you don't like it.. And- as someone who is 'maining' all healing classes because I want to be able to cover all roles (I am a terrible dps and a learning tank so- can I at least consider myself 'not so bad' in one of the three areas?) I can tell you all healing classes have pros and cons. And all of hem ca be crucial in a battle, there's no 'real healer'. There's a 'good' and a 'bad' one, thought.

[LDR]

maybe a budget SCH does nothing but dps and leaves it to their cohort

Let me know when you force your WHM/AST co healer to DPS 99% of the time because you overide them and forcably solo heal everything whilst still outputting DPS as much as possible.

[FoxyAreku]

Nothing about the OP is true and you sound like one of those people who laughably think healers shouldn't DPS.

If anything, scholar takes more skill and strategy than the other two, because you not only have to keep up your DPS numbers but also have to shield for tank busters, preys, and help in heavy damage phases while also microing your fairy the whole time.

If you want to be a good scholar, anyway.

[HPDelron]

Nothing about the OP is true and you sound like one of those people who laughably think healers shouldn't DPS.

If anything, scholar takes more skill and strategy than the other two, because you not only have to keep up your DPS numbers but also have to shield for tank busters, preys, and help in heavy damage phases while also microing your fairy the whole time.

If you want to be a good scholar, anyway.

I don't think it is at all unreasonable that someone coming into a class labelled as "Healer" in a Heal/Tank/DPS trinity game would expect healing to be their primary and overriding role.

Sure depending on the exact class in the exact game you’re playing you might expect to DPS, Crowd Control (if that's a thing in a given game), use some kind of active buff system or do any number of things in addition to healing. However you could not at all be faulted for assuming those things would be secondary considerations to healing. In addition since the game has you levelling from 30 to 60 as usually the only healer in the group this further trains you into thinking of your self as first and foremost a healer, anything else a distant second. Sure with gear and experience you can learn how to offload to the fairy with a shield or two in the mix once even outside the newbie dungeons, but that probably means this isn't your first pass as a healer.

Then you get to the end game and it's not just you and the fairy healing, plus whatever you can fit in on the side. It's the fairy healing, you DPSing, shielding specific attacks and healing on the side when you have room for it... or so I've read.

I started with healing in this game with SCH because the pet was a novel concept and I love shielding mechanics. However when I decided I wanted to move into the endgame eventually the only thing I heard was stories exactly like the what the OP has put forward. "90% DPS", "You know you're doing your job right when you need to cast heals as little as possible", "My goal is to stay in cleric's stance as long as possible". Not something I wanted to test out by diving in the deep end on. I started levelling AST so I could actually be in a healing role once I start endgame, because that's my preferred role in games. This is in spite of really quite enjoying scholar and the depth and flexibility of the toolkit I've found with it so far.

This isn't to say that a DPS class with some mitigation tricks, that can also function to help carry healing during high pressure situations is a bad thing. However, it is certainly fair that someone might be a bit off put by it when they signed up to be a healer, green party icon and everything and were a healer-with-other-stuff-on-the-side throughout their entire levelling and pre-savage gearing experience.

If this isn't the case and Scholar does first and foremost dedicate most of their time and energy to healing, then the community is very poor at communicating this and is certainly able to push new prospects away from the class. At least from the point where you're standing at the end of your experience with levelling and roulettes about to dive into deep content, it looks like the game pulled the ol' bait and switch on you.

[Krissey]

I don't think it is at all unreasonable that someone coming into a class labelled as "Healer" in a Heal/Tank/DPS trinity game would expect healing to be their primary and overriding role.

Sure depending on the exact class in the exact game you’re playing you might expect to DPS, Crowd Control (if that's a thing in a given game), use some kind of active buff system or do any number of things in addition to healing. However you could not at all be faulted for assuming those things would be secondary considerations to healing. In addition since the game has you levelling from 30 to 60 as usually the only healer in the group this further trains you into thinking of your self as first and foremost a healer, anything else a distant second. Sure with gear and experience you can learn how to offload to the fairy with a shield or two in the mix once even outside the newbie dungeons, but that probably means this isn't your first pass as a healer.

Then you get to the end game and it's not just you and the fairy healing, plus whatever you can fit in on the side. It's the fairy healing, you DPSing, shielding specific attacks and healing on the side when you have room for it... or so I've read.

I started with healing in this game with SCH because the pet was a novel concept and I love shielding mechanics. However when I decided I wanted to move into the endgame eventually the only thing I heard was stories exactly like the what the OP has put forward. "90% DPS", "You know you're doing your job right when you need to cast heals as little as possible", "My goal is to stay in cleric's stance as long as possible". Not something I wanted to test out by diving in the deep end on. I started levelling AST so I could actually be in a healing role once I start endgame, because that's my preferred role in games. This is in spite of really quite enjoying scholar and the depth and flexibility of the toolkit I've found with it so far.

This isn't to say that a DPS class with some mitigation tricks, that can also function to help carry healing during high pressure situations is a bad thing. However, it is certainly fair that someone might be a bit off put by it when they signed up to be a healer, green party icon and everything and were a healer-with-other-stuff-on-the-side throughout their entire levelling and pre-savage gearing experience.

If this isn't the case and Scholar does first and foremost dedicate most of their time and energy to healing, then the community is very poor at communicating this and is certainly able to push new prospects away from the class. At least from the point where you're standing at the end of your experience with levelling and roulettes about to dive into deep content, it looks like the game pulled the ol' bait and switch on you.

Okay so...I though the same as you...when did Scholars get side-lined into off DPS with a side dish of healing? I thought they were main healers spending most of their time healing? What happened? When? Why?

To put it in terms of another game - Are you something like a Shockadin or Ele Shaman with semi-strong off-heal capabilities but main role DPS now? Or DPSing Holy Paladin using Holy Shock for main DPS and only healing on the side? I thought Scholar was supposed to be like Discipline Priest - mostly healing/shielding/helping and would sometimes toss out a smite or something when/if they could?

I'm used to there also being the set up of: Tank healer and Raid Healer. Tank healer has strong single target heals and spot heals the raid, while Raid Healer covers everyone else.

[FoxyAreku]

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There has literally never been an MMO where healers weren't expected to do DPS in downtime, the only thing that varies is how widely accepted healers not DPSing is. Some MMOs (WoW comes to mind with discipline priest) even had entire healer jobs where them doing damage WAS their healing.

I'm sorry but it's a team game where the goal is to kill the enemy, and if you're ever just standing there doing nothing and not contributing to the goal in some way, then you're either completely out of mana, or you're lazy. There's no in between. (This applies to all healers actually, not just scholar.)

Though I will say, as an endgame scholar who did all of coil and has done up to A6S, the ONLY fight I've ever had where I had to DPS 90% of it is A5S, only because there's like barely anything to even heal in that fight. I still keep my dots up in all fights, but this is the only one where I'm literally spamming broil with an occassional succor and nothing else just because there's nothing else to do. I'm not sure why they put so little healing in this fight....

You had to level a DPS class to 30 in order to gain access to SCH so I'm not sure what you expected.

If you're throwing out random Adlos, you sound like an inexperienced SCH anyways. If you don't like the SCH playstyle, find another job to play.

Also this.

[Krissey]

There has literally never been an MMO where healers weren't expected to do DPS in downtime, the only thing that varies is how widely accepted healers not DPSing is.

I'm sorry but it's a team game where the goal is to kill the enemy, and if you're ever just standing there doing nothing and not contributing to the goal in some way, then you're either completely out of mana, or you're lazy. There's no in between.



Also this.

I think early on, in my experience, from BC to Cataclysm WoW healers mainly just spent time healing. In fact, due to changes of the game, in Cata there was no spare mana to DPS. And healers had around 2 offensive spells. Literally.

[FoxyAreku]

I think early on, in my experience, from BC to Cataclysm WoW healers mainly just spent time healing. In fact, due to changes of the game, in Cata there was no spare mana to DPS. And healers had around 2 offensive spells. Literally.

Discipline priest passive converts damage into healing and they spent all their time DPSing and still do to this day. They've been widely considered for most of the games life as the best healer due to this and their shields.

WoW is more healer intensive, however, so if you didn't have a discipline priest in your group for some reason it was more common there to not need to because you were busy with other things, but it was a fight-by-fight basis, and even on my holy priest I was able to keep Holy Fire on cooldown and smite spam here and there (and it was expected as well).