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  1. #11
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    Rawrz's Avatar
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Virus in itself is kind of an aoe heal. It's prevention or mitigation and it makes things tickle. Sacred soil you'll use less often, but it does shine in places. You also have, as others have mentioned:

    Succor
    Emergency Tactics Succor
    Indomitability
    Adloquiem Deployment Tactics (spreading a 300 potency or 600potencyx1.5 potency shield)
    Whispering Dawn (if you have to use eos, especially 40 and below since selene doesn't have access to fey wind yet)
    Embrace (She's a smart girl. She will bid for your survival while you heal someone else.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 04-09-2016 at 10:09 PM.

  2. #12
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    Eloah's Avatar
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Scholars dont really have spamable AoE heals, other than Succor, but the are great at single target heals. Similar to how Astro and WHM need to manage MP to heal the party Scholar has to manage their Fairy and their Aetherflow Stacks. It's just a different management material.
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    I guess the quick answer is yes, but it is a long trek between succor @35 and indom @52. Indom costs an aetherflow stack, but something to consider is that good healers aren't spamming their AoE heals anyway, and the cast time of indom is also instant.

    I wouldn't look at succor as an AoE heal. I would think about it as AoE galvanize, and it's doing a lot more than you think. If you log incoming dmg, you should see some goose eggs there.

    Your most powerful AoE heal right now is rouse+whispering dawn. When you put succor and rouse+WD together, it creates some serious dmg mitigation. Instead of filling everyone up quickly like a whm can, only to repeat the process because the dmg is still coming, this tactic with sch buys him/her and fairy time to single target heal everyone back to health since it stops the bars dead in their tracks from depleting further.

    An FC mate told me since he knows that I level sch and whm, that in order to heal like a sch, you can't think like a whm.
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    ^^^
    that so much, lol. I remember when i had to level WHM again i was so lost, cause i was use to Scholaring. while each healer has a similar tool kit they all function differently. i learned that the best way to play Astro, at least solo, is to stance dance between trash and bosses.
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    Lynk Lloyd
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Also keep in mind that scholars are meant to be offhealer. He comes from a dps class. Because of this, he has less healing skills. He's meant to dps most of the time, and only help a bit his co healer with his fairy and shielding. That is the Best way to play it. ( for the 4 Mans contents, fairy is usually enough haha)
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    ^^^
    that so much, lol. I remember when i had to level WHM again i was so lost, cause i was use to Scholaring. while each healer has a similar tool kit they all function differently. i learned that the best way to play Astro, at least solo, is to stance dance between trash and bosses.
    I can relate a bit as I level both, but keep their levels equal. I think some players with a sch mentality might experience some difficulty when playing whm. WHM is supposed to be easier, but the sch fairy seriously lightens your load and allows you to DPS so much in 4-man, but I can't speak for a full pt yet. The cleric dance is easier as sch since you are switching between it much less, assuming your are trying to maximize your DPS as whm.
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  7. #17
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    Sida Bajihri
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    Was talking about this the other day with my SCH friend, I main WHM. He told than when he's on WHM boots, he feels like he's hampered since he doesn't have the fairy background heal and no shields at all. Shields are a strength for scholar, don't think them as wasted when people take damage. The same damage that eats away the shield is damage you don't have to heal, or the other way thinking, it's just prehealed damage. So do take that into account when thinking how powerful the scholar heals are. Me, on the other hand, in that conversation told that when I'm not on WHM boots, the thing I miss are the big heals, knowing I can top most dmg classes with one cast from nearly empty, some with two. It's mentality difference, but they both are effective in their own way.
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  8. #18
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    Edvar'to Polaali
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    I think part of it is that your timing as a SCH is a little off.

    WHM and SCH function differently:

    WHM is a reactive healer. Damage happens, you heal it.
    SCH is a proactive healer. Damage is about to happen, you toss shields.

    You need to know the fights well enough to realize there's a big attack coming and to put shields up before it hits. It does no good to shield after the fact. Even trying for the shield while the boss is casting can be too late if it's faster than you are... unless you {Swiftcast} it.

    In the AoE case, this is how it plays out for WHM:

    Boss health hits 51%.
    Boss health hits 50%.
    Boss does AoE attack.
    Health bars drop.
    WHM -> {Medica}

    For a SCH, though, the optimal order is different:

    Boss health hits 51%.
    SCH -> {Adloquium}
    Boss health hits 50%.
    Boss does AoE attack.
    Shields absorbs damage from attack.

    You should set a focus on the boss so you can watch the cast bar.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edvardelis View Post
    I think part of it is that your timing as a SCH is a little off.

    WHM and SCH function differently:

    WHM is a reactive healer. Damage happens, you heal it.
    SCH is a proactive healer. Damage is about to happen, you toss shields.

    You need to know the fights well enough to realize there's a big attack coming and to put shields up before it hits. It does no good to shield after the fact. Even trying for the shield while the boss is casting can be too late if it's faster than you are... unless you {Swiftcast} it.

    In the AoE case, this is how it plays out for WHM:

    Boss health hits 51%.
    Boss health hits 50%.
    Boss does AoE attack.
    Health bars drop.
    WHM -> {Medica}

    For a SCH, though, the optimal order is different:

    Boss health hits 51%.
    SCH -> {Adloquium}
    Boss health hits 50%.
    Boss does AoE attack.
    Shields absorbs damage from attack.

    You should set a focus on the boss so you can watch the cast bar.
    Whm: damage is about to happen, precast cure II/Medica so that it goes off just after the attack. Great WHMs master this. This is for higher end/familiar content with scripted mechanics.

    SCH: You did this one right in my book. damage is about to happen, cast as soon as you can. Shields take an extra second to absorb damage, so you need to get them off at least a second before the attack lands.

    Totally endorse focus target its amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Whm: damage is about to happen, precast cure II/Medica so that it goes off just after the attack. Great WHMs master this. This is for higher end/familiar content with scripted mechanics.
    Can you get knocked out of casting? I suppose that might be a once-in-a-blue-moon case for {Surecast}.
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