Feeding in the Feast for Esos

[Dimitrii]

The people defending this are a microcosm of what's wrong with society today lmao. SE's mistake was having faith in a player base to actually be ethical, considerate and respectful of one another's time, goals and generally speaking each others interest in group events. They should have anticipated that the majority of the player base is selfish and could not care less about what other people's goals are so long as their own goal is met. It's less of a problem in PVE since it does not reward failure and therefore even if the individuals within the group's goal for the event aren't necessarily the same they will still in the end align in that it will depend upon successful completion of the event. But the minute you have rewards no matter the outcome you get this garbage you see now in pvp.

[Februs]

It's less of a problem in PVE since it does not reward failure and therefore even if the individuals within the group's goal for the event aren't necessarily the same they will still in the end align in that it will depend upon successful completion of the event. But the minute you have rewards no matter the outcome you get this garbage you see now in pvp.

This ^.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You can't create a system that can be exploited and not expect someone, somewhere, to exploit it. The fact that PvP has had such a long standing track record of exactly this problem, all the way back to the Secure days, means that they should have been fully aware of it and anticipated it to happen in Feast. I understand that they haven't fixed this problem because they want to secure casual queues for the sake of keeping the game mode alive, but the negative effect that tome farmers have on the PvP environment is arguably much worse than the queue times we stand to suffer if Tomes are completely removed from the game mode, especially in the case of Ranked matches wherein you are already rolling the dice just by having a random party.

I've already said this in the Feast Discussion Thread, but I do firmly believe that tomes should be restricted to wins only. You get nothing for a loss in PvE. PvP should mirror this sentiment, especially in ranked matches. If they are concerned over keeping incentives for casual queues, then there are other options available than just tomes. Vastly expanding the selection available from PvP vendors to include minions, housing items, crafting supplies, tome items (such as those sold by Rowena), GC items (cross GC items included), etc. would be a great start and appeal to far more people.

[Fyce]

You can't create a system that can be exploited and not expect someone, somewhere, to exploit it.

They probably expected it, but underestimated how terrible and egocentric people are in the west.
Western people tends to be more inclined to think "if it's a benefit for me I should go for it, without having a consideration for others". Japanese people don't have that way of thinking... or, at least, it's a lot less frequent.

In Japan, tacit rules are very important and the society would hammer on you for not respecting them. This isn't the case in NA/EU where we need hard written rules to draw the limits.
As far as an allegory can go, if in Japan you were to see a line saying "do not cross", people won't cross it. EU/NA people need a physical wall preventing them from crossing.

It's a cultural thing. And probably one of the hardest ones to fight against.
Can't blame SE for that.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They probably expected it, but underestimated how terrible and egocentric people are in the west.
Western people tends to be more inclined to think "if it's a benefit for me I should go for it, without having a consideration for others". Japanese people don't have that way of thinking... or, at least, it's a lot less frequent.

In Japan, tacit rules are very important and the society would hammer on you for not respecting them. This isn't the case in NA/EU where we need hard written rules to draw the limits.
As far as an allegory can go, if in Japan you were to see a line saying "do not cross", people won't cross it. EU/NA people need a physical wall preventing them from crossing.

It's a cultural thing. And probably one of the hardest ones to fight against.
Can't blame SE for that.

Actually in my opinion, if there is a better/easier way you /should/ go for it and not be punished for it. If there is a better easier way then all other things need brought up to par and you /should/ abuse it to be better and ahead of others. I myself don't care about other people, I want to be the best and better then them. Problem is, game doesn't really do this and gear even higher level is barely any better then lower level end gear. So I mostly just play on the forums. Why work for 1 point of damage when you can wait 3 months and get it easy?

Waiting for Pantheon to come out.

Everquest has ruined me. Anyways, the issue with that thinking is, I do consider others in my goal to get stronger, and so do those people perhaps as well. They just don't care about anyone else they abuse as long as they can help their friends.

However, the thing about it is. If it didn't take a stupid number of Esos to do the grind anyways, people probably wouldn't be abusing it.

They probably should of saw this coming anyways.