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    I found this on reddit and I was wondering what you guys think about blms using pie on their gear and if they should. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._relevance_of/
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceSpear View Post
    I found this on reddit and I was wondering what you guys think about blms using pie on their gear and if they should. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._relevance_of/
    It's been mentioned. You basically trade some some secondaries for PIE to always have enough mana to T1 and possibly a couple of extra TC procs through that. I've been thinking about it, but won't do it until I get my lore weapon and put the PIE on that, if I'm gonna do it. Most likely won't go past the two melds for a possible 5xF4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceSpear View Post
    I found this on reddit and I was wondering what you guys think about blms using pie on their gear and if they should. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._relevance_of/
    Yeah... I really do think I'm going to go ahead meld enough PIE to ensure a seamless T1. Don't think I'll go all out w/ PIE to get another F4 though. I just wanna be CRYSTAL clear on exactly how much PIE to meld to make this happen. I've only really glanced at this thread, but don't want to overshoot it by too much with a party bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceSpear View Post
    I found this on reddit and I was wondering what you guys think about blms using pie on their gear and if they should. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._relevance_of/
    5 F4 without use of convert under Ley Lines on first wave of Enoch works. Success in Void Ark today. Gotta use Sharp F3 after the 4 F4. Just enough MP for B3 and auto tick into T1 or B4 or both.

    Awesome stuff.

    Edit: tested on dummy and if you get a 2nd FS proc you'll have just enough time to get another 5 Fire 4's and just barely reset Enoch. And with my usual Enoch set this means I can reach 16 Fire 4 casts as opposed to 15(assuming you run F4x5/F4x4/F4x3/F4x3 without Convert)
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    Last edited by MagiusNecros; 04-01-2016 at 12:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    (assuming you run F4x5/F4x4/F4x3/F4x3 without Convert)
    Why would you use that as normal rotation when you could just use Eno again and get F4x4 minimum every time, assuming no mechanics where it's useful?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Why would you use that as normal rotation when you could just use Eno again and get F4x4 minimum every time, assuming no mechanics where it's useful?
    To get the most out of a single Enochian chain. Plus it was a experiment and you will always have to consider mechanics. A lot of content doesn't consist of a stand still dummy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    To get the most out of a single Enochian chain. Plus it was a experiment and you will always have to consider mechanics. A lot of content doesn't consist of a stand still dummy.
    You're not getting the most out of the chain by getting a 15 second refresh when you could start a new one. The first three give x amount of dps, the fourth gives <x, so start over rather than going into the 4th.

    The only time it's worth doing is when you know a leap is coming that might leave you without a target to refresh Enochian in 25-30 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    You're not getting the most out of the chain by getting a 15 second refresh when you could start a new one. The first three give x amount of dps, the fourth gives <x, so start over rather than going into the 4th.

    The only time it's worth doing is when you know a leap is coming that might leave you without a target to refresh Enochian in 25-30 seconds.
    So if I read you correctly you want to refresh Enoch after the 20 second refresh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    So if I read you correctly you want to refresh Enoch after the 20 second refresh?
    If Enochian is up, pop it after F3 instead of refreshing with B4. That lets you squeeze in a Thunder that you're probably skipping and gives you wiggle room for mechanics and that potential Thundercloud proc.
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