All Tanks are equal.

[NIN104]

Ok guys lets be honest here, WARs are ridiculous. Why do you think every static wants a WAR? there tank stance gives them the same benefits as the other tanks EXCEPT WARs actually get more HP in their tank stance ant PLD and DRK do not, now yes PLD can block occasionally (from the front) and DRK can parry but WARs also have the highest damage output of all tanks so where is the balance there? Now i do have to say the DRK and PLD do seem to be balanced amongst themselves so clearly SE can keep tanks equal but still retain their uniqueness so why are WARs so much better? I would also like to know why WARs are the only tank that in DPS stance can actually match (and sometimes even beat) DPS on damage.

If we are all honest with ourselves then we would HAVE to admit that WARs ARE the superior tanks and highly imbalanced, but if they weren't then we probably wouldn't get many end game raids done. However SE do not need to nurf the WARs but simply buff DRK and PLD to match them.

[SpookyGhost]

Assuming equal base VIT, WAR/PLD/DRK all have the same eHP in and out of tank stance. In fact, PLD/DRK receive more effective healing from healing abilities than WAR, which is generally balanced out by WAR's self healing.

WAR/PLD/DRK do comparable damage, parses generally benefit WAR more as their damage is burst based. The actual problem is that only WAR and NIN bring the slashing debuff, and not having a WAR means you get less DPS out of your NIN to have comparable tank DPS to an X/WAR combo resulting in less gDPS.

Also WAR can't beat a DPS in damage anymore, even bad ones should reasonably be able to beat us. You have to be doing completely god awful to get outparsed by a WAR.

[Ragnorak]

Thank you and well said Spook. Somebody's got to stop the madness

[Valkyrie-Amber]

is a pld/drk +nin combo viable? Nope nin loses to much dps, unless the group is over geared for the raid.

That simple sentence shows all tanks are not equal. Don’t even try to deny that warriors!

edit 1: and also I love how people that love playing warriors also seem to be keyboard warriors that don't want ballance as would lose their priority spots.

edit 2: due to loss of dps of nin in our drk/pld formation I will have to level and gear war just so we have the raid dps needed to clear stuff, that ballance?

true tank ballance each class 33.3infinity% choice instead of war 75% and pld or drk takes other 25%

[RapBreon]

edit 1: and also I love how people that love playing warriors also seem to be keyboard warriors that don't want ballance as would lose their priority spots.

Alright, I confess. After swapping to Warrior two weeks ago I've gone mad with power and am 100% convinced that only I, as a god among petty pebbles, deserve to be able to out tank a Paladin, out heal a White Mage and out DPS a Monk.

Every other class is clearly a trap designed to ensnare silly, naive noobs into picking something that is not Warrior. Because of this, I feel like it is my god given duty (because I didn't fall for said trap) to bathe this forum in my righteous and just rage.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

all they need to do is rework nin slashing debuff in away that dosent drop the nins dps then I think ballance will be ok.

[Daragon]

and here was me thinking that the NIN dps loss from having to apply their own slashing debuff would be somewhat mitigated by the PLD and DRK dps benefiting from that same debuff... unless you know, the PLD and DRK are constantly running about in perma-tank stance, because then the dps loss from NIN applying the debuff is not your problem.

[Wadoka]

I keep waiting for more "Animal Farm" quotes but so far only the Dragoon has touched one.

"All Tanks are equal, but some are more equal than others."

[Valkyrie-Amber]

and here was me thinking that the NIN dps loss from having to apply their own slashing debuff would be somewhat mitigated by the PLD and DRK dps benefiting from that same debuff... unless you know, the PLD and DRK are constantly running about in perma-tank stance, because then the dps loss from NIN applying the debuff is not your problem.

spoken like a true warrior pity us Drks and plds cant apply our own slashing debuffs or you would lose number 1 raid group choice.

[RapBreon]

and here was me thinking that the NIN dps loss from having to apply their own slashing debuff would be somewhat mitigated by the PLD and DRK dps benefiting from that same debuff... unless you know, the PLD and DRK are constantly running about in perma-tank stance, because then the dps loss from NIN applying the debuff is not your problem.

WAR's benefit from their own debuff as well. No matter which way you slice it, three classes in either set-up benefit from slashing resist down. The only way the WARless set-up pulls ahead is if PLD or DRK did more damage than a WAR (which they don't) by such a margin that the DPS loss incurred by the NIN is made up for.

Whilst I think Valkyrie-Amber is hysterical to the point of comical, they aren't wrong. WAR is the god of the OT spot, when you get to a point where WAR's are doing purple cages in A7S (Berserk says hi) you'd be crazy to not bring one. Unless your intention is to play WARless for some sub-optimal (the lulz) reason.