Seven Eleven Japan Event - Exclusive items White Fat Chocobo and Maid/Butler Attires.

[StriderShinryu]

At least put them in the Mog Station after a timed delay. Regional exclusives suck.

[Roegadyn_Bear]

INEFFECTIVE MIRROR ATTACK!

If you can come with a better idea that provides an incentive for a corporation to bring over region exclusive goods without falling back to "Muh Subscription!" as an argument, we're all waiting to hear it.

As it stands, money tends to be the best incentive to do so. The Mog Station wouldn't exist or churn out exclusive Mog Station exclusive items if a good deal of people didn't prove that they're more than willing to pay for those virtual goods.

[Jynx]

The Mog Station wouldn't exist or churn out exclusive Mog Station exclusive items if a good deal of people didn't prove that they're more than willing to pay for those virtual goods.

Good job stating the obvious, shame that anyone who doesn't agree with it is apparently just supposed to #dealwithit and any opinion they may have is met with such childish regard.

Of course people are willing to spend their surplus income on useless fluff (We are in the hillarious age of "Phone games" is you can even call them games). But just because I fear the slippery slope and you don't doesn't mean I and others aren't allowed to have opinions. It's been shown time and time again the more apathetic people become of this real issue creeping into the entire industry the further they are willing to push it.

Look at how far they are trying to push pre-order culture and how hard they are doing it. Thankfully consumers once in a while display a bit of backbone and tell companies with their wallets that they aren't just walking dollar signs. But unfortunately some people just bend over like wet paper towel because of the sheer saturation of the concept even those who don't agree with it are just starting to go "Whatever it is what it is".

But hey the market gets what the "Market" wants. Even if it's what the corporation want instead, they just know large markets are weak to this kind of pressure unlike more tight knit communities. This creeping into MMOs that were fairly resilient to cash shop (In a pay to play) shenanigans for years has been spurred by the anti-social MMO style brought in by WoW.

So just like your assumption my "Muh subscription" is a perfectly valid argument. your "Muh cash shop!" argument is no less "Effective" when we are sharing our opinions.

But you keep on Hi-Fiving yourself over there.

[Ovenmitts]

I don't know how these threads go so long without any sort of sense being made.

They very clearly stated that they are working on ways to bring it to the other regions. They are already in talks with probably 7-11 in other countries to have the same thing wherever you are.

The "sky is falling but I'm too lazy to actually read anything about what's really going on so I'm just going to scream and scream and scream" mentality this forum has going for it is really pathetic.

The problem really is how long these threads tend to get. The average person would just read the first page or so and skip to the end. When the end page is filled with doom and gloom, lo and behold, the common opinion becomes nonsensical rage for something completely unnecessary if they bothered to read the entire official word.

Me and several people bring up the fact that 711 is insanely popular in Japan. We've brought up logic and business approaches. We link pics of the translation of the live letter saying that devs are discussing strategies to bring this content west. None of that matters. Japan is getting exclusive stuff I can't have right now this second and that makes me mad! I mean, it only makes sense right?

Good job stating the obvious, shame that anyone who doesn't agree with it is apparently just supposed to #dealwithit and any opinion they may have is met with such childish regard.

Of course people are willing to spend their surplus income on useless fluff (We are in the hillarious age of "Phone games" is you can even call them games). But just because I fear the slippery slope and you don't doesn't mean I and others aren't allowed to have opinions. It's been shown time and time again the more apathetic people become of this real issue creeping into the entire industry the further they are willing to push it.

Look at how far they are trying to push pre-order culture and how hard they are doing it. Thankfully consumers once in a while display a bit of backbone and tell companies with their wallets that they aren't just walking dollar signs. But unfortunately some people just bend over like wet paper towel because of the sheer saturation of the concept even those who don't agree with it are just starting to go "Whatever it is what it is".

But hey the market gets what the "Market" wants. Even if it's what the corporation want instead, they just know large markets are weak to this kind of pressure unlike more tight knit communities. This creeping into MMOs that were fairly resilient to cash shop (In a pay to play) shenanigans for years has been spurred by the anti-social MMO style brought in by WoW.

So just like your assumption my "Muh subscription" is a perfectly valid argument. your "Muh cash shop!" argument is no less "Effective" when we are sharing our opinions.

But you keep on Hi-Fiving yourself over there.

So because people want to throw their money at devs, that's bad? If I may use your opinion against you, you're basically saying that it is wrong of consumers to want to buy extra stuff for a company or game they like. That people that do this "don't have a backbone" because they have the money to do this. Seems a little bit hypocritical. Actually it doesn't just seem like. It is hypocritical.

Which also means if you bought any number of art books, plushies, or other assorted goods, you're a tool that shouldn't be respected because the mighty masses that don't buy all this "fluff" are too smart to fall for such strategies. The real smart people only buy the base game and support the game as minimally as possible! Art books, plushies, OSTs, all that good stuff is real life cash shop. Mog Station is simply a digital outlet for people that want to shell out some dollars for extra, unnecessaryin-game content that does nothing to help you get by in the game.

The masses will always be more powerful than the individuals. It only makes sense if you want to survive, and this mentality is what every company will adhere to.

[Jynx]

So because people want to throw their money at devs, that's bad?

I'm not saying people who purchase extra content don't have a backbone, I am saying those who do pay into predatory cash grabs such as pre-order culture (Paying for a unproven product above and beyond the wholesale price even) when the "Extra content" that is often dangled in front of consumers is often content that was cut from the developers just for said purposes.

It's been well documented that this has become common practice not by developers but the publishers above them to push pre-orders and it only becomes more common because people are willing to be taken advantage of.

There is also the case of consumers being more than not often mislead about the intentions of pre-order and cash shop content. Look at how many people think the only reason we got EU data centers is because of the cash shop because Yoshi-P "Told us so". The reason we got EU data centers is more than likely them hemorrhaging players in EU territories due to lack of regional support. It's a good spin on where they pulled the cash from instead of using investor cash, but that's all it is PR spin, without those purchases it would have been on their dime that we got supporting data centers instead of the consumers (Who allready pays for what should be stable service need I remind anyone) who apparently needed to pay even more just to get half decent regional support?

The issues isn't that giving the developers extra money is a bad or good thing. It's neutral the money doesn't go back into the game it goes into whatever SE wants it to go towards and it's obvious they have been funneling funds from their wildly successful subscription game to fund future products instead of draining their own coffers. FFVII remake and FFXV looking at you.

Just look at the 7/11 snafu from the live letter. Announcing content for a world-wide available game with limited content on a regional basis? What kind of marketing department green-lights this? One who knows they don't need to be equal opportunity with their own consumers they can just get others to shill out more direct funds to them instead of making a deal with 7-11 in other territories and they will even look "Benevolent" for offering us stuff to purchase...what's wrong with this picture.

They are going to look at us like we should be thankful they allowed us the opportunity to empty our pockets further, that's just wrong.

[Ovenmitts]

Snipz

Mmmm, well said. I can agree with this. I so miss complete games day one of purchase. PR is a wild ride of devil's advocate and calming their loyal followers with answers that satisfy their current demands, the truth of which may or may not be complete black or white. Not that it's a total bad thing. I do look forward to playing Backstreet Boys Fantasy XV.

Just look at the 7/11 snafu from the live letter. Announcing content for a world-wide available game with limited content on a regional basis? What kind of marketing department green-lights this? One who knows they don't need to be equal opportunity with their own consumers they can just get others to shill out more direct funds to them instead of making a deal with 7-11 in other territories and they will even look "Benevolent" for offering us stuff to purchase...what's wrong with this picture.

They are going to look at us like we should be thankful they allowed us the opportunity to empty our pockets further, that's just wrong.

...But then I saw you edited your post.

I have no idea what this means. They are not going to make this a worldwide 711 promotion. It doesn't work that way, since 711 doesn't exist in all territories. 711 is only relevant in Japan because it is popular. So popular it's like McDonald's. It's an easy way to make money. If they want a worldwide promotion to be successful, they'll have to develop different strategies in different territories to be a success. It's like how potato chip/crisp companies have limited selections of flavors depending on region. Some people may like one flavor, while that same flavor bombs in another place.

[Morningstar1337]

Jynx I feel I have to ask this. Do you think there are other methods besides Cash Shop at comparable prices to the 7-11 promotions (given exchange rates) that can ensure that people in the West can get these items without pissing of the Japanese players? Do you think that this promotion should even exist, or that the items should stay exclusive if the only satisfactory way to ensure their availability is by Mog Station?

[Amaya-Asha]

Its Ok Pennsylvania doesn't have 7-11 for the most part. Wawa's and Sheetz keep them out.

so true^
what i live near west philly in the suburbs my town has a Wawa and a 7-11 but its true Wawa rules Pennsylvania. Last time i saw game promo in store was Subway for Uncharted or win ps4 taco bell.

[Anera]

Jynx I feel I have to ask this. Do you think there are other methods besides Cash Shop at comparable prices to the 7-11 promotions (given exchange rates) that can ensure that people in the West can get these items without pissing of the Japanese players? Do you think that this promotion should even exist, or that the items should stay exclusive if the only satisfactory way to ensure their availability is by Mog Station?

FF14 is an International servers game if having promotion in game content item or in game event it need to be for everyone not just for one region, having just for one region you well get tsunami of angry army from other Territory AUS, NA, EU, SEA
If FF14 was ONLY Japanese server it ok to have promotion for that region.
so in my own opinion SE should have made the event simultaneous

Other methods
*golden saucer
*in game event
*video contest
*and last mog station

[Jynx]

Jynx I feel I have to ask this. Do you think there are other methods besides Cash Shop at comparable prices to the 7-11 promotions (given exchange rates) that can ensure that people in the West can get these items without pissing of the Japanese players? Do you think that this promotion should even exist, or that the items should stay exclusive if the only satisfactory way to ensure their availability is by Mog Station?

1. The event can exist there is no real reason it can't.

2. All players should be able to attain these items within the game through alternative means, a good example is the golden saucer. Acheivment rewards, crafting, gameplay are all other acceptable avenues to obtain the items within the game without leaving anyone out as long as they are able to complete the required task.

I have no issue with these even being on a cash shop such as the mog station as long as there is a viable ingame alternative to obtaining these kinds of items, give people who want to support the developers and may not be able to complete acheivment or tasks linked to the items. You can both support the developer and the developer can support the consumer in a symbiotic relationship without feeling hollow and that these kind of items are only made just to squeeze extra cash out of us.

Face the facts they make plenty on the subscription alone to justify this stuff not needing to be separated but as they are a company they want to get as much capital out of us as they can, I don't blame them but neither do I feel it's the best course of action for consumers (You know...us) hence why I'm obviously leaning towards practices that benefit us consumers more than the company who isn't sinking without the cash shop despite what they may sound like through their PR interactions.

3. Regardless of everything else releasing a regional only event for a game that is played worldwide is just terrible form.

If you can't agree with that we obviously have differing values on how they should have handled this. Excluding your paying subscribers from an event that rewards exclusive in game items? That's just insane in my opinion. But like I said it may just be their marketing team knows they don't even need to bother outside of Japan exciting players to make external purchases as they know western foreign audiences have been dulled to this type of content over years of abuse in our gaming development scene. Chances are that cash shop items actually sell poorly in Japan and the 7/11 event is to actually drive the sale of the items and their subscription services (Why not be subscribed to a game you get rewards for?) instead of driving the sale of 7/11 products. In the western world they wont need 7/11's help in getting most to directly shell our their cash and this is why I feel it can and will just wind up on the mogstation rather than some sort of silly and expensive marketing campaign through a convience store.

The Japanese and Western gaming markets are different and this event just lends credence to my theory that this event is just that. Pushing FFXIV onto people not currently playing it rather than pushing 7/11 onto gamers.