Lore Farming, A Sad State of Affairs

[Synestra]

Yeah this is why I've always disliked having pve rewards for pvp content.

Its not really PvE rewards fault its the players fault, i have done my weekly tome capping in FL's for ages now but that doesnt mean i go hurrdurr when it comes to PvP(only winning matters, 2/3rd places are both loser places). But amount of tomes you get after each match should depend if you win or lose, both giving same amount doesnt really encourage most players to aim for win.

1st place 20 lore 2nd place 10 lore 3rd place 5 lore, even if you get shit team you still get lil bit of tomes but winning would yeld most of them, thus making capping way more faster if you always aim for the win. For Feast only winning should give tomes as it already gives only 10 lore.

[Neuflune]

Eh? I didn't even notice that Feast gave out lores. Just went in for the PvP.

I agree that only the winning side should get lores if this is an issue. Never came across it on my data center though.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Here's what I think:

Not enough people are playing PvP and the incentives they keep adding (minions, mount, gear, etc) is only a temporary fix. From the looks of it, the devs have no intention of making PvP as hardcore as people want them to and the recent patch of making casters and healers easier to play further proves this. The devs want people to have an easier time to jump into PvP and hope that they stick around. The addition of tomestones was a thing since Wolves Den was created so that people had an incentive to PvP. If you make it where getting tomestones can only be earned by winning, I can bet that less people will be willing to try out PvP or stick around for it. Logically, you shouldn't get anything for losing, but due to the nature of DF players, I don't think anyone would enjoy losing due to their incompetent team and having nothing to show for it. You think it's bad now with newbies ruining ranked matches? It'll only get worse if you make it where items can only be gotten through victories.

I tried the feast as a brand new PvP player and while I had my share of fun, I am quickly losing interest since there's nothing else go for aside from glamours and I'm sick having teams break into a hissy fit the minute things go wrong. What PvP needs is better incentives and longer lasting power, not less incentives.

[Hanmerreborn]

Just ran into one of these "I'm just here for lore" whms. Claims he only there for lore and when I tell him "Good for you. Enjoy your losses, cause that's all your gonna do" he gonna claim he has won every match lol. Does a complete 180 and starts bragging about how many games he wins despite being unranked. Suppose it was only a matter of time before I ran into one of these clowns.

It's entirely possible to be there for lore and have a good win rate...

Mine was 70% until I hit bronze rank and proceeded to lose 16 straight.

[Kaiche]

This is getting ridiculous, here is a match I just had with one of these lore farmers which he basically exposes himself and lore farmers in general in PVP...

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As you can see in these screenshots the Lore farmers name is covered in the red boxes, At first he literally comes In and says to everyone he's basically only here for the lore tomes, nothing more nothing less and doesn't care for the win at all meaning he's a big liability because he just doesn't care and is selfish and In it for himself. I totally agree with the person who is marked Green, People come in expected to be carried (how many times do we hear this happening am i right?) and get the rewards and benefits when they're selfish and wont even help the team or be encouraging. He tried to BS / damage control what he was saying by stating that he will go for the win but only cares for raids not only is he hypocritical but he contradicts himself by saying he doesn't go out of his to master pve (which you need to for your class to even be good at raiding) but he cares solely about raids wtf, says a lot about him.

The game has started and we're all in the middle battling, I die because I got focused down hard, and he immediately says GG and gives up, Also stating they are better when the game has just started lol... So not only is he a very selfish individual but also one who discourages the team play, everyone was working great while he was spreading his nonsense around. We ask him nicely to try to win, One person dying is NOTHING at the start and is so easily turned around but this guy loses his incentive to try... This is the cancer that keeps spreading and this attitude needs to stop.

After all that we won the game, I came out with a great score with a large amount of medals and only one death... no thanks to that negative Nancy, But he complains it was a slow match (At least he joined unranked 8v8 I suppose), you know why? Because he didn't get his tomes in a minutes time are you serious? How self-absorbed can you get honestly. This also happens in ranked 4v4 matches and you can't excuse that.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Maybe it's a data center basis? In all my matches, I rarely had problems with people throwing games or being lazy. Or maybe that guy was purposely being that way to get a rise out of you.

[RiceisNice]

Maybe it's a data center basis? In all my matches, I rarely had problems with people throwing games or being lazy. Or maybe that guy was purposely being that way to get a rise out of you.

Regardless of his intentions, it's still a detriment to the game play of the other 3 players (or 7 if you want to include the other team in some cases). There's very little that can be donea obut it that odesn't involve GM intervention (assuming they even take action against this sort of thing)

[Vejjiegirl]

Maybe it's a data center basis? In all my matches, I rarely had problems with people throwing games or being lazy. Or maybe that guy was purposely being that way to get a rise out of you.

I've had two games like this yesterday. There are some people that don't even do anything and just run in to feed points to the enemy team rather than Healing or fighting.

[Houston009]

Maybe it's a data center basis? In all my matches, I rarely had problems with people throwing games or being lazy. Or maybe that guy was purposely being that way to get a rise out of you.

That guy is on the same data center as us.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I don't know what else to say then. If I start getting the same people in my games over and over, I tend to take a break. That also reminds me that I been getting the same people in Feast 8 vs 8...