People are deliberately ruining the story for others

[AnaviAnael]

The whole rushing in story dungeons is annoying and people are blind to the issue. If you bring it up, you only get flamed and insulted. There is no repercussion for those people because they are backed by most of the rest of the group, no matter how rude or inconsiderate they are.

There needs to be a mechanic that puts people into that ring that you cannot leave like at the beginning, when someone watches a cutscene.

If they implemented this I would do one of two things.

1. Stop doing MSQ Roulette.
2. Form a party finder speed run group.

I would rather miss out on the daily poetics bonus (which I need for relic) than blow 40 minutes doing the same dungeon everyday, when half the time I'm sitting there twiddling my thumbs waiting for someone to get out of CS. I think that's something you don't realize. While you're watching your cutscenes, we can't do much else.

[AsteriaStarfall]

you will have 95% less players queueing for the dungeons. That's how much it annoys people.

For all of you posting "no one would run it" would you mind showing where you are getting this info from? Was there some secret poll held to ask who would still run the dungeons if the new players were able to watch the cutscenes?

Or are you simply making these "facts" up because of your own self-entitlement issues where you believe that new players should not be afforded the same expierence you were offered by watching the cutscenes when it was new content? Believe it or not it is new for them maybe the community should show its support for the game and the new players coming into it and let them expierence the story.

[Jynx]

Or are you simply making these "facts"

It's the logical conclusion if you try to force people who don't want to watch the cut scenes and tell them if they do the MSQ roulette that they are required to do so. I let people watch their CS's but even I am not dull enough to think everyone would take a change like that lying down.

Abondonment rates would skyrocket for CS heavy instances such as Castrum, people would rather AFK the penalty than sit around waiting on cut-scenes.

You are also under the assumption that the duty finder in itself has a "Community" It's backwards anything you punch into the duty finder is by default anti-community with it's near anonymous player base and no-fault system as you will never see anyone in that duty ever again unless you qued up with them.

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Like all things if you want to experience the content the way you want to, you will need to play with like minded individuals. In the duty finder it's to be understood you are grouping up with 1-7 other players who goals and opinions may differ from yours and they are under 0 obligation to do ANYTHING that you request.

There is no rule telling them they must play the way a new player wants too, I can que up for a dungeon as a level 60 Marauder and people would need to deal with me because that is how the duty finder works.

Make a party finder, join a free company, if you want to set your own rules. This goes for story content as much as it does any other content in the game that requires multiple members.

[Keramory]

The issue is both sides of the argument are completely justified. I'm not looking forward to when my gf starts doing the 50 mq dungeons.

Yes, new players should be able to enjoy the story driven content as much as we older players did when it first came out. Completely right about this

But...sadly, the 7 other people in your group have farmed this same map over 100 times. No one in their right mind would expend their suffering an extra 40 minutes, sorry :/

[Sassychan]

Not this shit again.

[zemogFC]

Or are you simply making these "facts" up because of your own self-entitlement issues where you believe that new players should not be afforded the same expierence you were offered by watching the cutscenes when it was new content? Believe it or not it is new for them maybe the community should show its support for the game and the new players coming into it and let them expierence the story.

lololol I first ran Praetorium in October of 2013 and guess what...
I had to skip cutscenes!

There was never a magical time when a group of strangers waited on a few people to watch an extra 30 minutes of cutscenes.

[Paladinleeds]

because of your own self-entitlement issues where you believe that new players should not be afforded the same expierence you were offered

Now you're making assumptions about me and trying to put words in my mouth. If you read my post, you'd see I'm generally one to let people watch the cutscenes if there's a new player there. The rest of the group however does not. And the amount of times I've run that dungeon and had that happen, I think experience talks there. I want for a solution as well, but if you start forcing people to watch cutscenes, I'm sorry but what I said is NOT a million miles from the truth. Yes, I'd still run it, because helping new people, but most people wouldn't.

I got EXTREMELY lucky with my CM/Prae run for story, but if a friend wants it, I'd go with them and try and get a CS focused group for them. As for random strangers, not a lot I can do. As I said, even if you take both tanks out of the equation (or even both healers tbh), you can still beat that instance and speedrun it. Now if you can get the majority of the instance on your side, then you're fine, but otherwise it is just a suck it up buttercup situation. Say what henious abuse you will at me, it doesn't change the grim reality I'm afraid.

[Cherie]

Could someone explain how it's getting ruined by people rushing things? The cutscenes all play correct? and the new person gets to sit and watch them all? They aren't getting kicked right? There is enough trash mobs that they can watch the cutscene and in most cases not miss a boss fight (because the rest of the party is clearing trash)? If they did in some chance miss a boss, then most of them are just a overgrown trash mob, the same model as the trash in the zone with no special dialog or even anything unique about them, except maybe the final boss. I'm a little confused here as to what is getting missed. I stopped running the MSQ roulette because I have run it to death and am burned out so maybe there is some new thing going on I am unaware of.

I mean sure I know people are kind of pushy in there and barely talk. That sounds like a normal roulette to me, like the current level60 roulette. Is the MSQ roulette like doing something unique or something? People don't talk and rush in basically all roulettes. Sorry to say, if a new person is experiencing this now: Welcome to endgame content... We apologize as a community in advance and please enjoy your stay and hopefully you find a nice static/linkshell/free company who aren't kind of jerks like duty finder. I mean I'm fairly unspoken and all business in them too so I'm just as bad.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Could someone explain how it's getting ruined by people rushing things?

The OP did. On the very 1st page. Perhaps you didnt see because you rushed the topic?

He said that "when the 2nd boss dies while im still watching the 1st boss cutscene, the experience is ruined for me".

It does make sense doesnt it?

Also, sorry to hear that CM/PR is "end game" content for you. But to me they look like newbie-ish dungeons in which i tend to adopt a newbie-friendly attitude, like waiting for everybody.

[Taika]

It really sucks for first timers in these instances. I'm currently running these daily to finish my anima weapon, and every time despite the bonus I kind of hope there won't be any first timers because I know their experience won't be very good.

For those running these for the first time I recommend running them with your FC friends or making a party finder asking for people to make a full run with you. I know I'd join a pf group for them for those bonus poetics.