FC Chest Looting

[Kosmos992k]

Just so you're aware, the FC in question had a very publicly known set of rules governing the FC chest:
**snip**
Public property is meant to be used by those who need it, not abused by those with malicious intent. Instead of victim-shaming, perhaps the focus should return to OP's original question as it was intended.

It doesn't matter how publicly available the rules of this FC were, they do not amount to the law of the land or terms of service, they are a social construct within that FC only.

The contents of a FC chest are *NOT* public property, they are company property that is made available for individual use by authorized company members. There's no victim shaming in pointing these things out, nor is there any reason to return to the OPs flawed question. It's very frustrating when someone abuses their company chest privileges, you're certainly in your rights to report that player for griefing and disrupting your play, as are the other members of your FC. Other than that, there is nothing you can do because the player was in fact authorized to access the chest.

The GMs are not repo men, they are not going to recover the property that you believe was stolen, because it was taken by someone with authority to do so. They might discipline the player for the disruption of other players and griefing, but that's an entirely different matter.

The one thing that would 'help' this type of situation, would be the ability to set a maximum number of items, amount of gil, number of shards, crystals or clusters, that can be withdrawn by rank in the span of a day or week. That would slow down such abuse, but it would still be up to the FC master to set appropriate permissions and limits.

[Teryaani]

This may be beside the point, but there is another issue I have noticed that may add to this argument: the ability to promote yourself (or demote those above you) if you have promotion allowance.

That lovely flaw was the reason that we've been hyper paranoid about who we give promotion permissions to.

OP, we have a single open tab in our company chest and that's it. Everything else is locked to leader/co-leader. From past experience if you give people the right to take something, they're going to take it. The honor system doesn't work in the long run.

[AlphaFox]

Morale of the story here, if you don't want people to "steal" have your FC leader (or yourself) check the rules and make sure random people you invite are not able to promote or raid the FC vault. Especially if your FC is prone to random invites.

[Anethum]

Added an edit to the first post, as some of the posts in this thread have been more witch hunty and acerbic than it should probably be in a post about game action.

[Skivvy]

Or you don't have reading comprehension because I stated IF I TOOK MONEY AND I IMMEDIATELY QUIT THE JOB As soon as I took the money out. How else would I count the money if I can't take it out? It's PER MY JOB RESPONSIBILITIES to take out and count this money. Seriously sometimes wonder about these forums and where some players crawl out of.

Point is, this is a bloody video game and not real life. So enough of that silly stuff. A person was given full persmissions to take/receive items from a FC chest. They opted to take all and run. Nothing here is against the rules. Is it a shitty situation? Of course. We'd all like to think people are more decent than that, but there will always be those who surprise you.

Take more caution with those you promote and who has access to what. Also remember that anyone can promote above themselves, so that ability really should be locked down hard.

[DPZ2]

Or you don't have reading comprehension because ... Seriously sometimes wonder about these forums and where some players crawl out of.

Always have to wonder about some players. Right? So, where do you come from?

The big difference between working at a casino and being in a Free Company while playing a game is that you are not hired by the Free Company.

The only Justice that applies in-game is bound to the Terms of Service. The GMs are not police. You'll never have the satisfaction of knowing that punishment has been imposed. There is no "day in court" or "restitution".

[Alahra]

SE doesn't generally intervene in player disputes of this nature unless there is explicit chat log record in which a player agrees to something (such as loot rules) and then deliberately goes back on that agreement.

If a rank has permission to withdraw and deposit, it has those permissions, and FCs unfortunately bear the responsibility for players who abuse those privileges. It is possible to set permissions per Chest tab, so it's generally best to keep the "important" stuff on a tab that only trusted members can access.

[UltimateAoe2]

Or you don't have reading comprehension because I stated IF I TOOK MONEY AND I IMMEDIATELY QUIT THE JOB As soon as I took the money out. How else would I count the money if I can't take it out? It's PER MY JOB RESPONSIBILITIES to take out and count this money. Seriously sometimes wonder about these forums and where some players crawl out of.

i wonder where you crawl out of though tbh..


You're comparing a real life situation to a video game...
a vidya gaem... pls.

Plus you'd be arrested because well, yknow, that's real-life theft. You're held accountable for your own job.


WHERE AS IN THIS SITUATION:
The FC leader didn't correct set his/her permission. So, it's the leader's fault, no one else. It doesn't mean that the person who did it will be left unharmed with no consequence, though.

[TheUltimateSeph]

FC leader made a mistake. Should just learn from it and move on. I totally agree with everyone saying it's their fault.

[Teryaani]

Plus you'd be arrested because well, yknow, that's real-life theft. You're held accountable for your own job.


WHERE AS IN THIS SITUATION:
The FC leader didn't correct set his/her permission. So, it's the leader's fault, no one else. It doesn't mean that the person who did it will be left unharmed with no consequence, though.

Yeah, his example works if an exploit was used to get into the FC chest. There isn't a real world equivalent for this. Maybe a person who left a giant pile of stuff in front of their house with a "Take one" sign (as the person had permission) and then getting upset that the person took things.