seph x , healing questoins

[starLivitation]

hey guys, just wondering what other healers think, he is my observations.

My main is SCH, I have tried healing seph x as both SCH and WHM with similar results upto phase3 blue puddles. we used SCH+WHM combo, and selen

However, when i go in my static, we go with SCH+AST Combo. and we seem to lack some healing. I have been reluctant to use EOS phase 1, but when we used her, we did better ( although can't be 100% sure cause we had other issues ).

So i am wondering, for other healers have u tried SCH - AST Combo, and did u notice any issues?

Also I noticed if i join a PF with an ast , once he see i am SCH he switches to WHM , it starts to raise some doupts for me.

[FoxyAreku]

I honestly don't know how ASTs manage to do this fight. I can see it being possible of course, but really difficult for them in comparison to white mage.

[MidnightTundra]

It's not too hard for AST.

Phase 1:
* You can use CU right before you guys have to move for Purple/Green bombs.
* Always save swiftcast for the helios to do AoE healing while getting into position.

Phase 2:
* Disable reduces the damage from big add explosions. You can Synastry the first set of adds to allow the sch to focus on DPSing.
* You can CU when the second big add spawns (assuming you have a SCH) to allow him to jump into cleric without being worried.

Phase 3:
* You can use CU on the spot where you bait yesod in the blue puddle to trivialize that section of Phase 3. (Everyone should have HoT from CU)
* You can save CU for the push back from Seph and extend it with CO to ease stress on the healing.
* Save Lightspeed for the first yesod around storm of winds. You can dodge the Yesod while doing AoE healing. I like using Synastry for this section of the fight too.

[AlphaSonic]

I've only healed phase 1 as AST with a SCH partner but we didn't have any problem. Pre pull with an Adlo deployed for the first 2 AoE damage and after that AST can take everything, you just need to know when he's casting the AoEs. SCH can help with Indomitability once or twice and that's it. Lightspeed is a good tool to deal with the damage after the Green and Purple circles.

[Yhisa]

Ast is fine on sephirot ex... It depends on ur partner... If ur with whm... U end up aoe healing majority of the fight shielding vs tank buster + pillars and dpsing when u got the physical or magic buff

If ur with scholar the role is reverse if ur sch not mitigating the double jumps and shielding for purple marks + tank buster then the SCH is the issue not the ast

Iv been in soo many groups and is 7/10 totems for wep... But my co healers let me down or dps dies consently or OT dont pick up his pillar

Ast is the strongest on this fight due to near infinite mp and most likely can solo heal it in nocturnal sect if party makes no mistakes

Healers can only dps when the magiv/physical buffs are on ... After this ur both pure healing

[Shai]

I have always had a 100% Selene policy in all end-game raids, but for the first time ever, I find Eos much more practical for Phase 1 & 2. During the (seemingly endless) transition into final phase there's plenty of time to hard-cast Selene.

I've never had a problem with any other healer. My personal favorite is honestly SCHx2. Everyone who isn't a healer seems to think that's not a possible combination, but all of my very best teams have been SCHx2 or AST in Noct. Getting a team to let you do this on the other hand is a bigger struggle than actually doing it in the fight itself. The additional defense (which is why bother using Eos at all) helps immensely. Continued Succor, Adlo/Deploy rotation, Bubble & Indom. Double SCH doesn't get the credit it deserves. Anyway, all combinations are equally viable.

I'd say the only caveat which goes for all healing in any new raid - is learn the mechanics. The less people die, the more MP to go around, the more time you have to prep for big hits, the less "oh snap" buttons you have to spam. Trust your co-healer, and if you don't then have a discussion about what you can change or do differently when things aren't going right. I don't have AST to 60 yet so I can't speak for it, but I know it can hold its own in Seph in Noct or Dia mode.

[GeekMatt]

I have a question about Sephirot as well. It's been suggested to me that I stack some VIT for this fight. Currently in a mix of Eso, Lore, Midas NM and Eikon I'm sitting at about 14100 HP out of party, ilvl 216. I've talked to another healer who claims to be around 14k+ HP, stacked no VIT and has Sephirot so on farm that she's nearly done collecting weapons.

Anyone else have input on the healer VIT/no VIT for this fight? I've yet to enter

[Kerrigen]

I've healed this as every job in every possible combination.

There's nothing wrong with using Eos as a SCH, especially with an AST who's already providing DPS buffs to the party. Enrage should absolutely not be a concern and WD is a good safety net and has good value during this, like during the Pillar of Mercy combo near the end or to cover any mess-ups during Ratzon/Ain.

You should Succor your party before the double raidwide AOE in phase 1 and should probably use Indomitability while repositioning after the double jump if you're going to get its full effect. If you fall behind for one reason or another, Emergency Tactics + Succor should do the trick. My rule of thumb is I'd rather use Swiftcast to get my party back to safe health than on Resurrection, so take advantage of it. There are ample windows to DPS for both healers once you know when you need to give a little push to your co-healer and when your party is going to be safe. Trust HoTs, they do most of the healing.

AST can fully take advantage of their CDs in this fight and I think it syncs really well with them.

Synastry can be used to buff AH. Disable + Virus is extremely strong, not to mention Disable is the only thing that affects Darkness damage when the Cochmas blow up. Dignity is available for every buster IIRC. CU can be used before the Ratzon / Ain combo and then again during add phase and before Pillar of Mercy. You can alternate between Lightspeed and Swiftcast to quickly recover after the double jump and to quickly heal while being bounced around.

MP is of absolutely no concern (we were joking that I was usually well over 10k MP at the end of the add phase while our SCH seemed to struggle a bit more regardless of my job) and hate is actually more easily managed than on WHM thanks to the lower generation over time. Every AST CD has incredible value in this fight.

At the end of the day I'm actually doing similar HPS and DPS as AST vs WHM with a SCH partner. I think I like WHM just a bit more because Assize and Cure III trivialize a bunch of mechanics and lower the panic levels and Divine Seal is amazing, but AST is perfectly serviceable. It's an easy fight to heal regardless of the job you're on once you get the timings down so I'd suggest working on that first and foremost. Good luck!

I have a question about Sephirot as well. It's been suggested to me that I stack some VIT for this fight. Currently in a mix of Eso, Lore, Midas NM and Eikon I'm sitting at about 14100 HP out of party, ilvl 216. I've talked to another healer who claims to be around 14k+ HP, stacked no VIT and has Sephirot so on farm that she's nearly done collecting weapons.

Anyone else have input on the healer VIT/no VIT for this fight? I've yet to enter

You'll be absolutely fine with your current HP value. There's nothing in there that will kill you outright as long as you don't mess up too much.

[Shai]

I concur with Kerrigen on all points.

The only thing that should trouble your HP is Earthshaker mechanic and that is lessened with distance from Sephirot at the time damage is calculated. As long as you are moving as far from him as physically possible it should not hit you for over 12,000. That move is the biggest direct hit a Healer should have to suffer. It can hit upwards of 16,000 if you're standing too close. I've never stood closer than that! Haha. >_>

Ideally it should only be hitting for (I want to say) 8000 or so. Nothing normal HP can't withstand.

[Kerrigen]

By the way, pre-positioning for Earth Shaker instead of reacting to it really helps lessen the blow (and once again reduces panic levels). It's easy to move out of the way if you see you're not targeted. Regen or Aspected Benefic takes care of healing that before Da'at happens.

I think this is the biggest piece of advice for healers in general: try to pre-position for the next mechanic and anticipate the damage. Everything is completely predictable so once you're familiar with his rotation you have a lot if time to do what you need to.