Goodbye strength tanks. Let us never be forgotten.

[Gyson]

And I will miss the days of VIT tanks desperately trying to hold hate off me while I'm in DPS stance. :3

Little too much fantasy happening in your fantasy game there, bud.

Can't recall that happening ever. If that's an issue you ran into, it probably had more to do with i-level differences and less with who was wearing VIT or STR accessories.

[Andrea]

Little too much fantasy happening in your fantasy game there, bud.

Can't recall that happening ever. If that's an issue you ran into, it probably had more to do with i-level differences and less with who was wearing VIT or STR accessories.

Gotta face the facts that with equal skill and gear a str tank walked all over a vit tank in agro generated and DPS.

[Gyson]

Gotta face the facts that with equal skill and gear a str tank walked all over a vit tank in agro generated and DPS.

Oh, there is no doubt that if both tanks are trying their hardest to hold onto mob, the one stacking STR is going to win (assuming comparable gear). That goes without saying.

However, that is absolutely never an issue for a VIT tank, not unless the tank stacking STR is intentionally trying to steal threat away. That certainly doesn't happen when they're "in a DPS stance".. that only happens when that tank (STR, VIT or whatever) is being a grade-A twit and not working as a team.

[karateorangutang]

Oh, there is no doubt that if both tanks are trying their hardest to hold onto mob, the one stacking STR is going to win. That goes without saying.

However, that is absolutely never an issue for a VIT tank, not unless the tank stacking STR is intentionally trying to steal threat away. That certainly doesn't happen when they're "in a DPS stance".. that only happens when that tank (STR, VIT or whatever) is being a grade-A twit and not working as a team.

While this is indeed true, i always let the VIT tank MT.... because whats the point of me tanking when his DPS would be abysmal anyway. However, when I'm sitting there using only SP and SE on my DPS rotation and VIT PLD is sitting on the mob spamming only RoH cause hes so afraid of losing hate, then that is the ultimate facepalm. Not doing your own DPS rotation because your afraid of not being useful is completely silly and I see it almost every single time I'm in that godforsaken Void Ark.

Maybe you don't do this, but I see it an awful lot, and sadly it's primarily PLD's that I see doing it. It makes me sad because I mained PLD for a long time before 3.0 when I was requested to switch. Playing defensively and outputting DPS are not mutually exclusive situations in FFXIV.

[Gyson]

While this is indeed true, i always let the VIT tank MT.... because whats the point of me tanking when his DPS would be abysmal anyway. However, when I'm sitting there using only SP and SE on my DPS rotation and VIT PLD is sitting on the mob spamming only RoH cause hes so afraid of losing hate, then that is the ultimate facepalm. Not doing your own DPS rotation because your afraid of not being useful is completely silly and I see it almost every single time I'm in that godforsaken Void Ark.

Maybe you don't do this, but I see it an awful lot, and sadly it's primarily PLD's that I see doing it. It makes me sad because I mained PLD for a long time before 3.0 when I was requested to switch. Playing defensively and outputting DPS are not mutually exclusive situations in FFXIV.

I think having a raid-wide threat meter (rather than just party-wide, or at least one that shows the top 8 threat generators) would go a long way in alleviating the problem you're describing. It is difficult to tell what game the other tanks are playing on any given run, and I'm sure nearly every tank that has stepped into Void Ark (or any other 24 man raid) has found themselves wondering "what are the odds that all the other tanks here aren't going to be #$%hats?" before the petri-dish walls vanished.

[karateorangutang]

I think having a raid-wide threat meter (rather than just party-wide, or at least one that shows the top 8 threat generators) would go a long way in alleviating the problem you're describing. It is difficult to tell what game the other tanks are playing on any given run, and I'm sure nearly every tank that has stepped into Void Ark (or any other 24 man raid) has found themselves wondering "what are the odds that all the other tanks here aren't going to be #$%hats?" before the petri-dish walls vanished.

Exactly, its not gear. It's the meta, poor communication, and the game structure itself. If anyone thinks that a set of jewelry is going to make that go away, then they are simply deluded.