Buffing VIT Nerfing STR - Some simple math...

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

Is there any reason that the ratios for VIT and STR have to add up to 1? Couldn't they do something like VIT*0.7 and STR*0.1 if they wanted to?

sure it's possible, the reason why it is not is because the previous base calculation assumed STR at 1 (seen in dervy's stat weights)

In your example, this would represent a reduction in tank damage, by 20 %. SE made no statement of a general reduction in tank DPS, just that you would do more damage in VIT than in STR gear.


@Syz something more to factor (piggybacking your example)

50/50 VIT:STR = AP
35 VIT pentameld (31/29 vit/str) = (1018 vit*0.5) + ( 920 str*0.5) = 969 AP
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60/40 VIT:STR = AP
35 VIT pentameld (31/29 vit/str) = (1018 vit*0.6) + (920 str * 0.4) = 978.8 AP
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70/30 VIT:STR = AP
35 VIT pentameld (31/29 vit/str) =(1018 vit*0.7) + (920 str*0.3) = 988.6 AP
(being lazy and not doing the STR side)

Based on SE’s disdain for pentamelds, I don’t know that I like these formula’s. I’ve been wrong before, just ask my wife……

The Other, other thing to look at, even at the highest AP in your calculations (1008.1) would actually mean an attack power nerf (max str on xaela – DRK - is 1045). SE didn’t mention that they were reducing tank damage in general (doesn’t mean it won’t happen).

[Syzygian]

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They DID say "bringing tanks damage calculations up to a more appropriate state"

...I think its safe to say that what they'll be bringing it up from is whatever the current full-fending cap is. Now whether their "appropriate state" equates to a given maximum in current full slaying is the million dollar question. But napkin math like this shows that unless VIT=1 and STR=0 then a slight across-the-board nerf is likely.

The damage added from STR accessories on tank comes out the same as melee, about 75% of the damage boost of head/hands/feet. VIT under a 70/30 would be about 54%, at 60/40 would be around 46%, and at 50/50 would be around 38% of the head/hands/feet piece at same ilvl.

Yeah, so they're probably nerfing tank damage unless they make 100% of our AP VIT based. Thats a given..

I'm not endorsing or rooting for any given final tank damage calculation these are just the ratios people have thrown around the most, and i thought i would eliminate some of the mystery by putting them to actual numbers. As long as they are only nerfing STR and not zeroing it out entirely, then yeah, ironically, we're looking at a nerf.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

..... But napkin math like this shows that unless VIT=1 and STR=0 then a slight across-the-board nerf is likely.



Yeah, so they're probably nerfing tank damage unless they make 100% of our AP VIT based. Thats a given..

I'm not endorsing or rooting for any given final tank damage calculation these are just the ratios people have thrown around the most, and i thought i would eliminate some of the mystery by putting them to actual numbers. As long as they are only nerfing STR and not zeroing it out entirely, then yeah, ironically, we're looking at a nerf.

And actual numbers is why I will be enlisting help from friends for testing pre and post patch. My PLD hopes that it won't be a damage nerf (or that the PLD buffs far exceed any nerf) My DRK doesn't care.

I'm kinda hoping that the damage will be the same (disregarding class buffs). I have always had a rule in my raid group, if my pally can OT out DPS you, you need to go work on your rotation (because... EWWWWW)

[Syzygian]

I guess the ugly truth is that barring anything fancy like making one stat our AP and the other a multiplier, as long as a portion of our AP is coming from two different stats then we are getting a dps nerf plain and simple, b/c only one of those stats is going on our accessories (and no, melds will not make up that difference....)

Sad day i guess =/

[JakAlendi]

sure it's possible, the reason why it is not is because the previous base calculation assumed STR at 1 (seen in dervy's stat weights)

In your example, this would represent a reduction in tank damage, by 20 %. SE made no statement of a general reduction in tank DPS, just that you would do more damage in VIT than in STR gear.
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SE didn't talk about a general reduction in tank DPS, but I am very skeptical that they are going to let us do the damage we were doing in strength gear, while having the HP we had in VIT gear. They've really only mentioned killing off pentamelding and STR accessories.

I would not be shocked at all if their target for tank DPS is based the DPS currently done on 3.1 in full VIT gear, and that this change is just going to bring all tanks to that level. So, in that case, the formula would be something like:
(1108 vit*VIT_SCALING) + (775 str*STR_SCALING) = 775AP

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

......I would not be shocked at all if their target for tank DPS is based the DPS currently done on 3.1 in full VIT gear, and that this change is just going to bring all tanks to that level. So, in that case, the formula would be something like:
(1108 vit*VIT_SCALING) + (775 str*STR_SCALING) = 775AP

I don't blame your skepticism... but this statement.... the majority of players are needing tank dps to clear a3s/a4s and this would really squelch raid progress for a while. Plus I am presently subscribing to the conspiracy theory that SE is doing as much as they can to bring players to the tanking side, and this would likely cause a bit of an exodus, leading to longer dungeon queues. blah blah, snowball effect.

Again, not an impossible scenario.