The arrogance of some people

[Wizarus]

SNIP

They don't "need" to do anything else if they are fulfilling their obligation as a healer. You can not like it all you want but Yoshi confirmed this already, so it can't be considered carrying if they don't want to DPS as well as heal.

It's completely unfair to force Healers do manage double the hotbars DPS use to do half of the damage they do. I do it, but no one should "have" to do that outside of a raid enviroment, where Healer DPS is taken into consideration when making the raid.

[Umbreon_skystorm]

wow this post got a lot bigger... let me get some popcorn and read it :3
This post is such a waste of time, PPL won't change, sm healer wanna just heal, and sm healer wanna stole aggro dpsing + healing, and sm ppl wanna complain about both styles.... so...

[Odett]

They don't "need" to do anything else if they are fulfilling their obligation as a healer.

I don't NEED to do anything if I'm keeping agro as a tank

[Kaurie]

did i ever said anything else? i am dpsing on my healer, so i am one of the GOOD healers ( yay ^^/ ). and because there is no argument against this... WHY DO YOU HAVE TO REPEAT IT OVER MORE THAN 50 PAGES THAT HEALERS SHOULD DPS? just for self-congratulation... there is NO other reason.
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Just so you are aware, you are adding to the length of this thread by complaining about it. It's even less on topic than the self-congratulation that you are suggesting we are all doing.

i just don't like how much time we have to be in cleric since 3.0. this is a game design fail. we have different classes for a reason.

I'd disagree with your middle statement though, DPSing Healers in 2.x was also very big. It's perhaps because you're a WHM and I was a SCH in 2.x that we see it differently though.

there should be a use for all the healing spells and emergency buttons besides the emergencys we have created by ourself because of DPS./

There is a use for all of your skills (well mostly). I have moved to WHM from SCH in 3.x and play SMN/WHM mostly now. On my WHM i routinely use

Cure
Cure II
Cure III
Regen
Medica
Medica II
Benediction
Assize
Asylum
Tetragrammaton
Protect
Stoneskin
Stoneskin II
Swiftcast
Raise
Eye for an Eye
Stone III
Holy
Aero III
Aero II
Presence of Mind
Divine Seal
Shroud of Saints
Aero (only use this when weaving an oGCD ability such as fluid aura)
Fluid Aura

I rarely, if ever, use:
Stone II
Blizzard II
Stone
Virus

They don't "need" to do anything else if they are fulfilling their obligation as a healer. You can not like it all you want but Yoshi confirmed this already, so it can't be considered carrying if they don't want to DPS as well as heal.

It's completely unfair to force Healers do manage double the hotbars DPS use to do half of the damage they do. I do it, but no one should "have" to do that outside of a raid enviroment, where Healer DPS is taken into consideration when making the raid.

No one needs to do anything. I don't need to be respectful when I am playing with an idiot, even though I do try to be. It's completely unfair for me to be playing with people who are not giving it their all when I am. They are reaping the same benefits as me, but putting in half the effort - that isn't fair.

I mean the obligation of a DPS is that the enemy dies right? So, if I stand still and do nothing, and the other DPS kills it - it is dead. My obligation has been filled. Is that OK? Just trying to see where your stance is on everything and where you draw the lines on how useless someone can be while also fulfilling their role.

[Odett]

did i ever said anything else? i am dpsing on my healer, so i am one of the GOOD healers ( yay ^^/ ). and because there is no argument against this... WHY DO YOU HAVE TO REPEAT IT OVER MORE THAN 50 PAGES THAT HEALERS SHOULD DPS? just for self-congratulation... there is NO other reason.

i just don't like how much time we have to be in cleric since 3.0. this is a game design fail. we have different classes for a reason. there should be a use for all the healing spells and emergency buttons besides the emergencys we have created by ourself because of DPS.

It will be repeated because again, too many people think that healing is all they have to do in a game that doesn't support full-time healing, make threads about it expecting others to pat them on the back, and somehow try to argue that they are correct. Again, it says something about their argument if their only alternatives to not DPS are either doing absolutely nothing, or overhealing. If there was a third choice that somehow helped the party, they would be correct, but there simply isn't.

Also, cleric dancing is not a game design flaw. That is a feature. This game actually makes healing roles much more involving. Spamming your heal keys is redundant as hell.

[Umbreon_skystorm]

I don't NEED to do anything if I'm keeping agro as a tank

Paladin Feels with AoEs kkkkkk
We don't need to do damage, we are too flashy for that

[Wizarus]

I don't NEED to do anything if I'm keeping agro as a tank

What's your point here? Even Flash scale off of the amount of damage you can do. Bringing tanks into this is pointless.

[Umbreon_skystorm]

What's your point here? Even Flash scale off of the amount of damage you can do. Bringing tanks into this is pointless.

Forum's rule : If you don't have arguments just throw something random xD

[Odett]

What's your point here? Even Flash scale off of the amount of damage you can do. Bringing tanks into this is pointless.

I'm using your line of reasoning and applying it to other jobs (in this case, tanks spamming their agro combo and ignoring all their other combos) to show you how ridiculous your comment sounded. Mediocrity should not be encouraged.

[TaleraRistain]

Man this argument again. There is no content outside of bleeding edge raid content that is designed around a requirement for a healer to DPS. Healer DPS is based entirely on the comfort level of the person playing the healer. If they are keeping the party healed, they are doing their job. If their comfort level is such that they feel they can add some DPS, then that is entirely their choice. The problem is that people got used to something in raids and are trying to force that idea into normal groups. It's not necessary or wanted there. If people who raid want to have those requirements in their groups, that is what Party Finder is for.

I'm going to start calling DPS and tanks lazy when they don't use their self-heals or put their own Protect and Stoneskin on the next time this comes up. They have the ability to buff and heal themselves through cross class skills. I'm too busy DPSing to carry their lazy behinds.