BLM Anima: Yay or Nay?

[Gaj85]

Why not get it? If nothing else it is something to do. I'm not "hardcore" into this game like others (I'm only 1Lvl 191), but I also have no interest in doing Savage Alexander or other raids/dungeons all the time. This is something new to do, especially for me because I never got my past relic weapon past Zenith.

[Waliel]

From what I can find (https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/), the stat weights are WD 6.726, Int 1.000, det 0.246, crit 0.246, spell 0.281. That means the totals for *just the secondaries* on the three weapons are :
lunaris : 45.39
Gordian : 45.043
anima : 41.328

Those are ARR weighs. Dervy's newest ones are here: https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/2015/...d-3-0-weights/ and it doesn't have BLM weighs. I'm very certain that the extra WD and INT will make up for the less than optimal secondaries, which are about half as effective as they used to be. I'm pretty sure no one has mathed out the BLM weighs yet, or at least I don't know anyone that has.

[Maero]

Been testing the new Relic, and the loss of spell speed is pretty awful. Cast times is like slooooow, even with food
Parsed a little over 1000dmg on Faust which tells me i am giving to my retainer to hold unto for now, lol
The loss was rather big. Perhaps if some are testing as well they can add their opinion.
I will still recommend that players do the Relic however, as the final HQ crapted, erm i mean crafted part is a grind.

[Mercutial]

What Ilevel is your BLM that you're only able to do 1k on Faust? Not trying to be smart... I promise. But that would be a craaaazy dps loss from relic if you're anywhere in the 200's.

The reason I ask is that I'm 209 but barely holding on to 619 spellspeed after dumping as much acc as possible. The idea of losing 90+ terrifies the hell out of me.

[Dante_V]

Unless you have a 210 weapon, the Anima will be better. Waliel is correct... The weapon damage and INT increase outweigh the spell speed on the Heavens staff and the antiquated weapon doesn't even stand a chance due to being 3 WD behind. Judging from stat weights from both Pre and Post HW, the weights have been homogenized and reduced respectively. Likely to facilitate balance within increased stat budgets. What this means in laymans terms is that INT and WD hold greater value relatively speaking than they used to and this can be shown across almost all classes in regards to general weight comparisons made so far. That being said, specifically in regards to SS, the GCD reduction per point is the same across all jobs, break points will need to be assessed to establish at which point over X time it allows for another gcd, and also whether or not such an application is viable both within the specified duty and whether or not it is negated thru late proc notifications or reaction speeds.

TL;DR
As far as it sits right now WD and INT matter enough for the Anima to be better than it's lower level counter parts. In regards to the A4S weapons comparisons, (210 vs 210) stat weights will be needed to objectively assess the differences but for now the Gordian A4S weapon has the highest budget in the (typically) heaviest stats and is BiS for all intents.

[Mercutial]

Very well said Dante. I certainly know that WD rules all. And can't think of a single case where the higher Ilevel would stand behind it's lower level counterpart. I'm just going to have to come to peace with a 530 spellspeed until I start getting drops from A3S. Because that's what BIS is for us A1/2S scrubs.

[JSG]

I have found that 700 Spell speed is about as low as you want your spell speed to drop, after that stack that Crit. At 720 Spell speed ATM with the relic and while yes the spell speed diff from Thordan wep is noticeable it will not affect my ability to be able to do my rotation in the lightest. I know every fight extremely well already and past the point of progression other then trying to get a4 on farm with my current raid group. Spell speed is king when it comes to progression but once you know the fight, spell speed starts to not interest me as much. I will still use the Relic over the Thordan until I get Gordian. Also when we are able to change stats on relic I will be going Crit / Spell speed, so what Im trying to say yes it still worth trying to get the BLM relic if you dont already have Gordian.

[Mercutial]

Yeah... but if you're gated at A2S, you can't really take on any more spell speed without taking on even MORE acc. Which is high enough as is.

Haha... all the more reason for us to finally start clearing A3S.

[Maero]

I should have mentioned that i do not yet have the Relic to ilv210, but 200. So i was compairing eso (ilv200) to Relic (ilv200). Of course weapon dmg has always been numero uno. Just really do not know why weapons and even gear in hw has NO ss, like wth...
I have not looked at the heavan's weapon tbh and only tried thordan a few times. Been too busy getting all my classes/jobs to 60, which is more of my goal atm. Been rather burned out otherwise
Also it varies by player on what they want but i prefer ss>crit>det
If players do some testing with actual numbers i may be convinced otherwise. Besides the last step to get Relic to 210 is gonna take ages, for me anyhow, lol

[darkwithless]

@Roth_Trailfinder
I have only been able to find one source for HW Blm stat weights: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H...gyNzEyX3c/view
Sadly it doesn't even have a weight for weapon damage, but the stats are in line with other dps classes and I haven't found any other weights.

Det: 0.108
Crit: 0.157
Spd: 0.172

Using these numbers the Substat totals on the 3 i210s are:

Gord: 28.226int
Eso : 24.888int
Relic: 21.623int
Thor: 27.360int (-4int)(-1 weapon damage worth of int)

Is it better than Thordan, it is better, but by less than the 1 weapon damage it has over Thordan and its base int is 4 higher. That is the excuse I'm telling myself to prevent myself from going hardcore on relic like I did with Nexus, Zodiac (which was better than IW i130 if you didn't need acc), and Zeta. Will this weapon be worth it when they let us fully customize the stats, yes it will be worth it, so working toward it is a good idea. Until then it isn't worth rushing, at least in my opinion.