you guys went overboard with this new relic

[BreathlessTao]

I still want to know wth SE's problem.

SE's problem is that they can't seem to figure out any rational way to keep crafting relevant. They could remove the whole crafting system and nothing would happen to the game. So they implement bandaids like glamour outfits as ri-goddamn-diculous recipes (with HQ versions of course which makes so much sense on statsless clothes, and now with dyeable and undyeable versions separated as well so that it can be said we have a 100 new pieces when we only have 50), and relic "tokens" as even more absurd recipes. So that that vocal minority of relevant crafters are catered for - same type of minority, btw, as some claim those frequenting the forums are, in order to brush off the posts here as not representative of the whole community's wants and needs and bellyaches. The vocal minority of relevant crafters who have already amassed a fortune - nay, several fortunes, and many of whom buy up every available plot for themselves just because they can, just because they don't know what else to spend that fortune on, because there is nothing else to spend it on. What really baffles me though is that with all the restrictions we have, with all the hand-holding the game does throughout pretty much everything - why is there no limit on anything when it comes to the market board? Everyone is allowed to have up to 6 additional retainers - that's 120 additional slots for items to be put on sale. Everyone is allowed to ask as much as they want for every item. Everyone is allowed to undercut or overprice every single item, as much as they want, as many times as they want, as often as they want. It's just another one of those sad aspects of the game that SE doesn't want to "man up" in, and leaves it completely to the players because that's such a good thing - except this one isn't a good thing either, and it has been pretty obvious for far too long. Just a little regulation would go such a long way, and really, when compared to everything else we have, all the restrictions and limits... it just feels extremely naked, being as unregulated as it is.

[Remus]

I find it funny when people keep saying its fine because there are a lot of PF so it means people are enjoying themselves, the logic is astounding and it makes me face palm. Most are doing it because there isn't anything else to do. Don't get me wrong there are some who will enjoy the relic but calling people complaining the minority is just pure ignorance. I have been on these forums/reddit since beta and i can say there hasn't been so big of a backlash as this. In this case people who like the relic i could see being the minority because friends, LS, FC, people in the general area of the fates and idyllshire all have said they hate this relic and are not doing it or they are doing it because what else can they do in the game. So far i have encountered one person in-game who has said i like the new relic.

Also i will say this people are not complaining about the grind. I knew and many others knew the relic was going to be a grind but its the fact that they are doing the same thing again they did 2.1. They had so much feedback on the relic quest and they accepted our feedback saying they won't be doing something like atma again and here we are 3.1 they do it again. They are just lying to the playerbase and people and sick of it now and people are leaving for it. If people are not leaving now most have said 3.2 is the last straw for them and if SE don't impress they can say bye to their sub money. If they were going to do this again but released it much earlier im sure it would have been accepted a bit better but now people are doing this horrible grind for a weapon which will be outdated by the time you get it unless you bleed through the grind and try get it as soon as possible but then it will lead to burn out and make you wonder to yourself was it worth it.

Overall if i have to be honest after going through relic up to the last step it makes me wonder what they were doing for that 6 months it got delayed. It wouldn't surprise me if the relic was done already but they delayed it because they knew there isn't much content so its just padding to hold people over and get more money for the next few months. It's bad game design and the dev. team should feel bad for implementing this and I don't feel sorry for them after all this backlash. They knew what was going to happen but they went with it anyways and it shows how much they actually care about the player base and its all just PR to make them appear as your friends to defend them. Might as well call this expansion (glorified patch) delaysward and this rate because everything has been delayed so far. Heavensward got delayed, 3.1 got delayed, side quest delays, relic delay just become a mess now.

Please stop calling people who don't like the relic whiners because so far anytime i have seen someone say they hate it they have given a reason for it.

Edit: The Reddit mods have made a strawpoll to give feedback on the relic

http://strawpoll.me/6286512/r

[Madjames]

I think asking us to spend multiple millions of gil to go towards crafters is outrageous and I for one refuse to do this pile of crap quest until this is changed. I am sitting on 10mil atm trying to get another 5 mil before the house reclaim system and there is no way I am going to just throw that away to some already rich crafter who probably already owns a large private house.

[Fevelle]

I think asking us to spend multiple millions of gil to go towards crafters is outrageous and I for one refuse to do this pile of crap quest until this is changed. I am sitting on 10mil atm trying to get another 5 mil before the house reclaim system and there is no way I am going to just throw that away to some already rich crafter who probably already owns a large private house.

I'm getting my awoken and that's it. Maybe I'll get more awokens while I level classes (only fun I have in this game, seriously, why is my Xenoblade X taking so long to be delivered?), but more than that? Nah, you can have your relic, SQEX.

[Zazamoda]

Part of what bothers me is that, even if you accepted that the relic could have no real work put into it, and it was just a low-cost way to keep people playing, it STILL could have been a lot better. Reward people for doing Crystal Tower, Ravana & Bismarck, Coil, PVP, Diadem, and Void Ark. That way, we can do fun and varied content while still working towards the relic. Why are our primary options beast tribe dailies and endless Alex?

It's like they were intentionally trying to make the process miserable, or like they only had fifteen seconds to think of things that could give relic progress.

[Houston009]

I think asking us to spend multiple millions of gil to go towards crafters is outrageous and I for one refuse to do this pile of crap quest until this is changed. I am sitting on 10mil atm trying to get another 5 mil before the house reclaim system and there is no way I am going to just throw that away to some already rich crafter who probably already owns a large private house.

On Balmung the prices for the relic HQ items were in the millions day one. Now they are like 500k or less barring Kingcakes.

EDIT: Kingcakes are now also lower than 500k.

[UnstablePersonality]

Still millions on Siren. 36 million in total.

[Fevelle]

Still millions on Siren. 36 million in total.

Same on Exodus.

[enthauptet]

On Balmung the prices for the relic HQ items were in the millions day one. Now they are like 500k or less barring Kingcakes.

EDIT: Kingcakes are now also lower than 500k.

Benefit of being on a huge server, everything is waaaay less expensive.

[Yasuhiro]

"If you don't like it, don't do it!"
Really people? This is YouTube comment tier of counter arguments
People make legit complaints but you respond with the most overused response ever?