you guys went overboard with this new relic

[WinterLuna]

You people white knighting it realize by the time you are done it is next patch cycle first relic to do this, and its not even something to do its cramming mindless grind that serves no purpose but over glorified glamour at this point because of said 3.2 having better shit for the next 3 months...

Some people and myself personally enjoy working towards a goal, whether it becomes pointless or not. We're not "white knighting" anything. People want everything handed to them and to put as little effort in as possible. I am pleased this isn't handed to us on a silver plate.

[Skivvy]

People want everything handed to them and to put as little effort in as possible. I am pleased this isn't handed to us on a silver plate.

While some people may want an easy relic, I highly doubt that's true for most people. I like having projects to work on in games, however, with relics it's a bit annoying as they become outdated so quickly. Why spend months grinding away on (most likely) boring quests when you can pick up an equal strength weapon from tomes? I don't mind grinds (loved me some XI, still do!), but the grind in this game is just not fun. It's all so repetitious.

[Nekodar]

Some people and myself personally enjoy working towards a goal, whether it becomes pointless or not. We're not "white knighting" anything. People want everything handed to them and to put as little effort in as possible. I am pleased this isn't handed to us on a silver plate.

As someone who completed two zeta's, one as it was released and one after, I'm not going to work on the i200->i210 phase of the anima relic.
It's far beyond what can be considered reasonable.

We're not asking for the stuff to be handed to us without effort, we're asking for reasonableness.

There's also the problem that these quests are basically replicas with minor tweaks of what we already did for the zeta. There's nothing new or innovative about the anima questline.

[WinterLuna]

As someone who completed two zeta's, one as it was released and one after, I'm not going to work on the i200->i210 phase of the anima relic.
It's far beyond what can be considered reasonable.

We're not asking for the stuff to be handed to us without effort, we're asking for reasonableness.

There's also the problem that these quests are basically replicas with minor tweaks of what we already did for the zeta. There's nothing new or innovative about the anima questline.

I completed two zeta relics both before the nerf and will be also completing this. I think it's perfectly fine.

[SpookyGhost]

Some people and myself personally enjoy working towards a goal, whether it becomes pointless or not.

I guess everyone with this mindset is SE's target audience, then.

[Aarik]

Some people and myself personally enjoy working towards a goal, whether it becomes pointless or not. We're not "white knighting" anything. People want everything handed to them and to put as little effort in as possible. I am pleased this isn't handed to us on a silver plate.

Wow, you really don't see the big picture here, do you? This won't be handed to you on a plate....YET. It will be marginalized eventually, and all your hard work will be crapped on. This isn't something SE implemented so you can feel accomplished. This is something SE implemented because they know that patch 3.1 was an abysmal flop and they're trying to keep people from abandoning ship until 3.2. For some reason they believe that making the relic quests even more torturous than before will keep people in. The masochists, perhaps.

[Lexia]

Wow, you really don't see the big picture here, do you? This won't be handed to you on a plate....YET. It will be marginalized eventually, and all your hard work will be crapped on. This isn't something SE implemented so you can feel accomplished. This is something SE implemented because they know that patch 3.1 was an abysmal flop and they're trying to keep people from abandoning ship until 3.2. For some reason they believe that making the relic quests even more torturous than before will keep people in. The masochists, perhaps.

That like the entire game in general and been that way since launch. If a person unhappy with it why they still sticking around, some things could be changed yes but I don't see some radical change to game in the way they do stuff.

[Aarik]

That like the entire game in general and been that way since launch. If a person unhappy with it why they still sticking around, some things could be changed yes but I don't see some radical change to game in the way they do stuff.

Yes it's been that way since launch, and relic quests have always been grindy....but this is beyond grindy. This is to the point where if people work at this NON-STOP, they most likely still won't have it by the time the next big patch comes in; their work will be marginalized before they even have the finished product!

[Instrumentality]

They forgot to bring the fun.

Like literally just forgot it. This really feels like "Please stay subbed for three more months" the weapon, and not "this is fun and engaging content that you can do at your own pace without committing ages of time". Did they hire the EQ/XI legendary quest designers for this step or something?

[Rath]

Wow, you really don't see the big picture here, do you? This won't be handed to you on a plate....YET. It will be marginalized eventually, and all your hard work will be crapped on. This isn't something SE implemented so you can feel accomplished. This is something SE implemented because they know that patch 3.1 was an abysmal flop and they're trying to keep people from abandoning ship until 3.2. For some reason they believe that making the relic quests even more torturous than before will keep people in. The masochists, perhaps.

The sheer amount of people in PF doing fates means they were right. These are not as torturous as before though. The drop rates from these fates is not nearly as bad as atma when they first came out.