Expert Roulette & Why

[Fynlar]

Due to diadem, dungeon spamming is hardly a concern,

Diadem is not comparable, unless you are an advocate of people staying just long enough to get the objectives done and bail out instead of actually staying for the whole 90 minutes. If you stay for the entire 90 minutes, it is by no means an efficient way of tome farming (as well as being even more mind-numbing than having two dungeons on a "roulette")

Even if it was 3 dungeons, you would just get sick of them at the same rate and complain anyway.

Speak for yourself.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Experimenting with diadem

We are going to make an instanced zone where gatherers and battle classes can work together! Excellent

We are going to make it so gatherers instantly get the good things from nodes while still able to loot on the gear drops! Occasionally a chest will spawn and we will reward those battle classes with crystals! Excellent

We are going to randomly spawn NM's by killing normal mobs, but won't everyone just meet in the same place and farm together, no not at all that has never happened before in previous content! Excellent keep going

We are then going to make these hard enough you need more then one party to kill them but don't worry other parties will be in the zone too so they can help out! Yes yes teamwork

We are then going to make it so just DPS affects credit, you're wish you never brought those gatherers with you! This just gets better and better

Randomised stats with i220 secondaries can drop making all raod gear redundant! Thatal teach them pesky raiders

We are removing the kick option! Great now I can afk with no fear of harassment

Introducing diadem aka hunts 3.1

They could of handled it alot better, gatherers could of collected NM pop items, you could require doorways that can only be opened by them. Crafters could of made pop items from what the gatherers got.

Time extensions

Tiered NM's

For the harder bosses, special buff items could be made if you find the mats for them. Like heros tonic double hp for 5mins and stuff.

[LineageRazor]

Creating the Level 60 Roulette tier so soon was certainly a huge disappointment. Evidently, SE wasn't listening when all the complaints came down the pipe about lack of variety of dungeons in Expert Roulette pre-Heavensward - and we had THREE dungeons in the Roulette, then! Heavensward came around, and there were only two dungeons in Expert; folks were annoyed, but hey, there WERE only two level 60 dungeons (discounting the Research Facility), and given the horrendous amount of content SE had already churned out for Heavensward, it was reasonable to expect only two new high-level dungeons. More dungeons would be added in due time, and that would give Expert Roulette the variety it so desperately needed.

Except it didn't happen that way. Two new dungeons were added to Expert - but then they went ahead and created a new Roulette to move the old dungeons to. So now, not only does Expert still lack variety, we can be confident that in the future it will ALWAYS lack variety, just like the pre-Heavensward Expert Roulette except worse since there's only two dungeons instead of three. Most unfortunate.

[Raxiaz]

Due to diadem, dungeon spamming is hardly a concern, Even if it was 3 dungeons, you would just get sick of them at the same rate and complain anyway. SE cannot win this.

so instead of dungeon spamming we're going to spam the same instance, on the same island, killing the same mobs over and over with no strategy involved?

Yeah forget that, not a good fix, and you're right... SE cannot win this.

[Raxiaz]

That's not how math works!

You're right, it's not! I have gotten the same dungeon now for two weeks in a row.
I haven't taken a math statistics course in years. forgive me

[Gardes]

That's not how math works!

Uh, you sure about that? It's basically just the probability of getting heads 7 times in a row vs getting tails 7 time a row.

[Kaurie]

That's not how math works!

I mean, unless he is saying he has the same odds of getting the same dungeon 7 times in a row as getting the other dungeon 7 times in a row. Which is true. It's kind of hard to tell from his sentence though.

You're right. Everyone complained between each new set of Expert dungeons before 3.0 too. It's been proven that people will complain about the dungeons regardless. "They're too boring!" "Let us speed run them faster!" "They aren't new or special or interesting or cool or good!" We've seen it all months ago.

True, but just because something is bad, doesn't mean that it cannot be worse. Having 3 dungeons is 150% more options, and consequently should take roughly that much longer to get 'bored' of it. This assumes people are getting bored due to repetitiveness.

It's hard to tell if it's just dungeon quality though. I personally do not like the two new ones, straight from my first run.

I'd like to further this by adding that 'people' is very generic. The same 'people' complaining pre 3.0 are not necessarily the same ones as complaining now.

Finally, if people complained that there were too few dungeons pre 3.0, why did SE think it was in their best interests to reduce it even further?

[Shikiseki]

well for those who are ranting that there's only 2 of them now on Expert... tell that to my record getting always that one dungeon all the time, regardless of how many dungeons there were in the roulette... *shakes fist at keeper of the lake*

Although this time around I really love both of the dungeons so it's not as bad as foreverreap. They could have left the past 2 dungeons in the expert roulette to have at least 4.

[RiceisNice]

I'm personally getting tired of getting SMA 6 times in a row. Even if it's a fun dungeon, doing it everyday starts to wear and just becomes tiresome. Would it not be better to keep the previous tier of level 60 dungeons and enforce a rather low Ilvl sync to keep the "expert" aspect of it?

[Alahra]

I'm personally getting tired of getting SMA 6 times in a row. Even if it's a fun dungeon, doing it everyday starts to wear and just becomes tiresome. Would it not be better to keep the previous tier of level 60 dungeons and enforce a rather low Ilvl sync to keep the "expert" aspect of it?

That's...actually a pretty good idea. Sync it down to i160 or i170, and it would maintain the same rough difficulty curve as the new dungeons, thus justifying the same Roulette rewards for "older" content (which if I had to guess is the main reason they *don't* keep those dungeons in Expert as a rule).