HQ Forager and Artisan Retainer drops... Gee Thanks SE for the Lost Income

[DarkDedede]

They may have added it to the list of obtainable items, but there is a very very large pool of items to bring back.

For one player maybe. Of course, one player doing quick ventures isn't causing this issue, but rather the entire server doing them. When you have thousands of player characters per sever, each with two to eight retainers, producing a new item every hour, it's not unlikely that someone will get a specific item from that "very very large" pool of available items.

For a lower demand item, it doesn't take too many listings to drag the price down to desynth fodder. The players that obtained the items through quick ventures got the item for free, so the items hold a much lower value. It's only been a couple weeks and many items have dropped to lower than 5% of the previous going rate. The quick venture player has absolutely no issue drastically undercutting, since they invested practically nothing to obtain the item. It's also hard for actual crafters to compete with these types of players.

So you upset that you are unable take advantage of the less knowledgeable people that didn't know about the level 52 set?

At the very least, I'd rather not have to compete with them.

[Alahra]

They did this with all of the old Mastercraft recipes. I made most of my money prior to 3.1 off of ALC Augmentations. Most of them have dropped to about 25% of their value since the patch.

I suppose it was inevitable, though.

[Takara528]

On the bright side, all the kingly whiskers I was selling has dropped so much, I can finally justify making the entire collection for self use!

[Callback]

You're complaining that your retainers are too good. Give me them then. I want that kind of quality from my ventures.

[Saint_Angeles]

I realized this morning that HQ Forager and Artisan gear is dropping like candy off battle retainers now. Which was a really bizarre choice given that the demand for the HQ level 50 gear was super low to begin with.

It may have been a bit goofy to have been cutting a 200% profit on these since Heavensword released... but that's what crafters do. We make things and sell things!!!

Why the heck would SE intentionally invalidate our ability to make and sell things. Is it just me or is this really really wrong? I understand its outdated content but still... what the HECK SE!?

Not sure how battle retainers being able to bring in BiS gear from multiple patches ago somehow "invalidates your ability to make and sell things". This comes off as sour grapes and "But muh markets". Okay, so you're a crafter. One thing isn't selling at the profit margin you want? Craft something else. This isn't rocket science.

[Katlyna]

I love how some of you rather than say something productive you choose to quote single lines and use one line out of context to "prove" a point. Please stop lol, its really dumb.

[Katlyna]

Yes we will all move on and make other things. But none the less SEs choice of how they try to make older equipment more available sucks. It was also obvious this was going to be a shoddy way to solve the problem. As I've said, this is a bad precedent for the crafting community. And we should speak up when SE implements solutions which aren't fun. You can disagree if you want... just try not to be internet trolls while doing so... no one likes trolls 8P

[PFM]

All I hear is waaah I can't price gouge.

[Culfinrandir]

All I hear is waaah I can't price gouge.

You're not listening then. The complaint is that the availability of high level gear (which is still BiS for 2.x players) for free from ventures has pushed the value to less than it costs to make. In some cases, gear that can cost several hundred thousand gil in raw materials is selling on the market board for under 50k gil.

Crafters aren't even able afford to *make* the gear to sell, let alone 'price gouge'. I'm not a crafter but I can see how damaging that is. Some of the top crafters are just giving up placing as their fun was to craft, rather than raid or whatever. Nobody gains from a market controlled by fewer players.

[Lexia]

You're not listening then. The complaint is that the availability of high level gear (which is still BiS for 2.x players) for free from ventures has pushed the value to less than it costs to make. In some cases, gear that can cost several hundred thousand gil in raw materials is selling on the market board for under 50k gil.

Crafters aren't even able afford to *make* the gear to sell, let alone 'price gouge'. I'm not a crafter but I can see how damaging that is. Some of the top crafters are just giving up placing as their fun was to craft, rather than raid or whatever. Nobody gains from a market controlled by fewer players.

There plenty of other stuff to make that will make a profit, adapt or be left behind.