Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[Vogue]

Im on my phone but you can search 7-sch 1-war t9 on youtube and see for yourself.

Edit: off phone now, here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlW1kZ-Nwdg

See that green icon at the bottom? yes, indeed, echo buff. Do you see that same icon in any of the fights this thread is discussing? no. So refrain from making invalid arguments to defend the fact that warriors can do all 3 roles, and they are pretty good at all 3 of them.

True, not every warrior will be able to do things like this, but, just the fact it is possible, while no other party with the same setup (8ppl of the same class or 7 with 1 healer) without echo can do these things, makes you wonder if there is a problem.

Anyway for all of you who are so eager and ready to defend warriors, please show us wrong by providing proof, get your best skilled players, 8 of the same, or 7 plus a healer and go do ravana ex, thordan ex, and any other fight that has been successfully completed with a full war (or 7 +healer).

No more talk about numbers and what is easier, that is not what this thread is about, we all know that balanced parties are better, but that still doesn't denies the fact that it is simply illogical that warriors can clear NEW content, that hasn't been nerfed or echo-ed, without the need of any other classes beside maybe 1 healer.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

See that green icon at the bottom? yes, indeed, echo buff. Do you see that same icon in any of the fights this thread is discussing? no. So refrain from making invalid arguments to defend the fact that warriors can do all 3 roles, and they are pretty good at all 3 of them.

True, not every warrior will be able to do things like this, but, just the fact it is possible, while no other party with the same setup (8ppl of the same class or 7 with 1 healer) without echo can do these things, makes you wonder if there is a problem.

I am 100% postive I can clear Thordan EX with 7 PLDs 1 SCH and 7 DrKs and one WHM.

All the tanks have comparable skills/tools, it is just that WAR/DrKs are set up better.

So please shut up because it is clear YOU are the one who doesn't know what they are talking about.

[Vogue]

do it then?
Just go ahead and do it, no more talking just do it and proof us wrong.

[ArkNova]

You are going to record that fight right Exodus? I really wanna see it. what kind of accessories will all your pld be using? str or vit?

[Reynhart]

What you seem to be failing to realise is that PLD is the issue, not WAR or DrK. PLD is the odd man out because DrK brings very near WAR levels of DPS just without the unlimited TP WAR has. It has become painfully obvious at this point that DRK/WAR are operating as expected and PLD is not.

Yes, DRK can bring nearly the same damage as WAR...but for a far shorter time. And brings a LOT less mitigation out of his comfort zone. The point is that WAR has no flaw. There is no "tradeoff" for that brute force. This is not a PLD issue, it's totally on WAR.

As for what you consider "personal attacks" on you by bringing up that you have cleared no difficult content, this is a huge deal.

Saying that I didn't clear the highest difficult content is a fact...saying that I don't play tank at a "half respectable level" is just...being an ignorant jerk.
I've played all tanks and the difference is obvious in any content. Of course, PLD's lack of DPS or DRK's lack of physical mitigation is not a huge deal out of savage, but stating that it isn't here is just denying the obvious in fear of losing one's precious WAR toy.

Again, the fact that an all team WAR can clear content as fast as usual setup have nothing to do with PLD.

You are getting so annoying that I am in the process of putting together a team of 7 PLDs and 1 SCH to clear Thordan EX just to shut you up. Because trust me... It can be done.

Please do, we'll see.

[MagiusNecros]

Main problem I see with Warrior is that it brings tons of utility and with no drawbacks. You have amazing self sustain, lots of damage reduction, effectively infinite TP, very great burst DPS through self buffs and your very own DPS stance and Fell Cleaves comparable to that of a BLM's Fire 4. Which I remind you other then building your stacks require no cast time and you can move while doing it. Dark Knight on a good day can match or come near par with WAR but only when MTing. And cannot sustain that kind of power as much as a Warrior can.

I think the main complaint to take away here is that 7 Warriors are clearing the same content in roughly the same timeframe that a balanced party is. Which either means the DPS Warrior brings is amazing or the content cleared is mechanic driven. Or both.

If Kenpachi can show that 7 PLD and 7 DRK can clear in the same timeframe as 7 WAR then fine all is good. But we'll see.

[Syzygian]

Reynhart... Bro.... Broseph.... Bro Jangles...Brometheus....Broto Baggins....

You forgot Brocifer, Broseidon, Brodin, and Brodecahedron.

[Reynhart]

I am 100% postive I can clear Thordan EX with 7 PLDs 1 SCH and 7 DrKs and one WHM.

Just a little question on that..
Let's suppose you don't manage to do it.
Will it means that WAR brings too much DPS, or that DRK and/or PLD bring too little ? And why ?

[ArkNova]

Just a little question on that..
Let's suppose you don't manage to do it.
Will it means that WAR brings too much DPS, or that DRK and/or PLD bring too little ? And why ?

No one likes a nerf, the argument will be drk and pld need a buff. But I did notice that some of the people defending warrior are warriors. I see the same reaction from warriors in my ls, go figure.

[MagiusNecros]

Warriors defending Warriors. Not surprising. The favored option is always going to be buff DRK and PLD to WAR's level. And then people will want to bitch about how it doesn't matter which tank you bring. They'll all perform the same. And do fine. Damned if you do damned if you don't.