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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
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    Comparing my BRD to my MCH dragoon-less A3S is like... ~70 DPS diff comparing one of my best A3 clears on BRD to a sloppy MCH clear where we had like 10 deaths and I have really limited experience playing MCH in raids, MCH's personal DPS is really quite solid in the face of bard though I think A3 is favorable for MCH thanks to bishop turret and extra stuff like grenado shot in add phase.

    BRD can fall behind MCH off of mistakes comparable to messing up wildfires too, though it's hard to make a mistake on BRD that you can say is as huge as screwing up a wildfire really badly. That big of a loss on BRD would be more like a bunch of mistakes combined.
    It's just that WF is such a big part of competent MCH DPS that a buff to it like what you're suggesting could potentially set it well ahead of BRD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aabe View Post
    It's just that WF is such a big part of competent MCH DPS that a buff to it like what you're suggesting could potentially set it well ahead of BRD.
    The competent MCH players rarely screw up WF, so it shouldn't change much imo.

    My concern is with less competent MCHs vs less competent BRDs. If the classes are supposed to be interchangeable they need similar penalties for screawing up, and they should be balanced across all the player skill levels.

    I wonder if we still have many more Bards in comparison to MCHs just due to the ugly lunch box and magic stick...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
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    The competent MCH players rarely screw up WF, but a good MCH is right where they should be compared to a good BRD. There are many points of fights where WF is unusable or sub-optimal, and the job is still neck and neck with BRD. If WF was buffed to be better in the sub-optimal situations I'm describing, even if it was done with the intention of making the job easier for less skilled players, it could/would create imbalance at higher skill levels.

    The skill floor is certainly a good bit higher than BRD but I think every job has bare basics, some core things specific to the job that players will need to learn, and everything beyond that is optimizing. Wildfire is one of MCH's cores, and so a less skilled player should look to get gud at it after they have the rotation down.

    Going past that, tweaking jobs so that they're balanced around lower skill levels is a REALLY slippery slope and it just overcomplicates things especially if you're trying to look to keep things balanced at all skill levels rather than a specific one.
    Going past that there is a decent level of competence you're expected to have if you're doing raids at all, the jobs are interchangeable at this level of competency, and going lower than that, you don't really look for an optimal composition in most content that isn't the raid. Basically any job is interchangeable with any job at that point.
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    I will have to level up bard myself to judge it on the same skill level scale.

    Speaking of gitting gud, any good encounter guides from MCH pow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    I will have to level up bard myself to judge it on the same skill level scale.

    Speaking of gitting gud, any good encounter guides from MCH pow?
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKi...PUwiN8Q/videos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    Speaking of gitting gud, any good encounter guides from MCH pow?
    Having played both I can say MCH def. has a higher skill floor but I didn't find it too hard to pick up after a long time maining BRD. encounter specific stuff is idk, as long as you have an alright concept of timings/potency per GCD you should be fine, though I did comparatively horrible on my first time running through savage as MCH

    the other person posted it, but aiurily's channel is probably the only resource you'll have and it's about the best one you could ever get really
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    Quote Originally Posted by aabe View Post
    It's not erased, it just doesn't show up on the target's debuffs.
    Easiest way to confirm would just be to check for WF damage in a big raid where it's not showing up on the target, however on BRD if I apply WB + VB in a 24man and only one of the dots shows up, I still see +Venomous Bite +Windbite when I use iron jaws.

    No, it won't be applied. I had Wildfire on a mob until 2s remained, and then it dropped due to too many debuffs, 2s later, no animation, no Wildfire! 5207! or whatever, no damage in chat log.
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    Wildfire forces you learn when and when not to use it. If you know a boss goes invulnerable a few seconds after pulling then you learn not to open with it.
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    I wish Wildfire worked kinda like the way it worked now, plus how Sublimation worked in FFXI:

    Activate Wildfire, it gives you a "Wildfire: Charging" buff with a 15second cooldown
    During the duration of the buff, 25% of your damage is 'stored'
    When 15 seconds elapse, the "Wildfire: Charging" buff is replaced with "Wildfire: Charged" for 15 seconds
    This allows you to use the oGCD ability "Blast Shot" (which can only be used with "Wildfire:Charged" buff on).
    Blast Shot's damage is equal to 25% of your outgoing accumulated damage on the the target you're using it on while Wildfire was charging.

    This would allow us to save/use Wildfire and output the damage at our discretion, without worrying about the target dying before it detonates/jumping off screen/becoming invulnerable/saving it for the next mob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Wildfire forces you learn when and when not to use it. If you know a boss goes invulnerable a few seconds after pulling then you learn not to open with it.
    If wildfire were just a delayed blast... ok. But this skill is connected to many other skills. You have to also worry about having other abilities ready to feed it. Do you save other CDs to feed it latter? Or do you burn down adds?

    With Wildfire you are also "target locked". Do you stop Wildfire combo to deal with mechanics? Or do you force others to do the mechanics so that you can finish the combo?

    Wildfire in its current state is making MCH bloody difficult if you want to be efficient.
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