Tanks&Healers; please focus on Role first, then DPS

[MisterLucie]

I feel like it's not really necessary for people to make a thread every time they run into bad players.

A good player will heal/tank and put out appropriate dps while doing so. A bad player will not.

Your issue is with bad players, not healers/tanks dpsing. Those bad players most likely don't even come to the forums and even if they did they probably wouldn't change anything after reading your thread aimed at them.

[WinterLuna]

Has it ever occurred to some of you that some tanks and healers don't want to DPS? I'm not sure why focusing on their primary role makes someone a bad player.

Abandoning the main purpose of your role purely to put out more DPS is being a bad player. Also, someone could be an absolutely amazing black mage, but are still learning the healer role. If a tank pulls way too many mobs for the healer to handle whilst wearing a full set of STR accessories, that's the tanks fault. It's the tanks main role to take damage, not otherwise.

Nobody is saying that players shouldn't DPS, but it doesn't make someone a bad player if they don't. A lot of people play those roles because they don't enjoy DPSing in the first place. Don't get me wrong - I main a healer and DPS whenever I can, but I don't put the fight at risk of wiping because I'm focusing on something other than the job I chose.

[MisterLucie]

Has it ever occurred to some of you that some tanks and healers don't want to DPS? I'm not sure why focusing on their primary role makes someone a bad player.

Abandoning the main purpose of your role purely to put out more DPS is being a bad player. Also, someone could be an absolutely amazing black mage, but are still learning the healer role. If a tank pulls way too many mobs for the healer to handle whilst wearing a full set of STR accessories, that's the tanks fault. It's the tanks main role to take damage, not otherwise.

Nobody is saying that players shouldn't DPS, but it doesn't make someone a bad player if they don't. A lot of people play those roles because they don't enjoy DPSing in the first place. Don't get me wrong - I main a healer and DPS whenever I can, but I don't put the fight at risk of wiping because I'm focusing on something other than the job I chose.

Okay, you don't want to dps. You would rather... sit there doing nothing during a period of no or little damage? Looking pretty and essentially afking during the boring parts of a fight don't make you a valuable party member.

Nobody is expecting the healer to dps when the tank pulls four groups of mobs and is actually in danger of dying, but on regular pulls or boss fights where there is a long lull in damage and you're just sitting there doing nothing because "I'm a healer and I just refuse to do any damage! Hrmph!" is, frankly, stupid. You're pressing a keybind to make either an ally's health go up or an enemy's health go down, it's not like it's some astronomically different concept.

You people are far too into your disgustingly exaggerated and unrealistic extremes. Nobody has ever bitched at a whm for not holy spamming during a huge pull that the tank is dying on. Nobody expects that. You create that scenario in your mind and then use it to justify your indignation at being expected to contribute SOMETHING in periods of low damage. In reality, it's more expected for a healer to do their primary job, healing, and then when capable they should swap to cleric and toss in as much extra dps as they can without risking the group. No good player will have any kind of trouble doing that.

What you're saying by only wanting to sit and heal and do nothing else is that you only want to do the bare minimum required by your role and nothing more. You don't want to be valuable to your team and you don't want to help them defeat the encounter any more than you physically have to.

Edit to clarify: the "yous" in this post are mostly generalized and not aimed at this specific poster, only at those who were being referred to as not wanting to dps.

[SchalaZeal]

What you're saying by only wanting to sit and heal and do nothing else

Way to misrepresent the poster you're quoting. They never said they didn't want to dps at all, just not primarily.

[SonKevin]

What you're saying by only wanting to sit and heal and do nothing else is that you only want to do the bare minimum required by your role and nothing more.

So you mean like every DPS ever?

[Maikeru]

Yeah, people go cocky sometimes with their classes and they forget their main focus. A smart player will analize the party's capabilities and their own before trying to pull that "extra". I'm not against healer/tank DPS at all, but your primary job must be respected in order to accomplish the second one. To be fair, the same goes to these lazy DPS that stick with the boss and they don't do a single mechanic.

[MisterLucie]

Way to misrepresent the poster you're quoting. They never said they didn't want to dps at all, just not primarily.

They said there are people who don't want to dps at all, and those are the ones I'm referring to. The "you" is more generalized and not specifically at that poster.

Though I did touch on that specific poster bringing up the regurgitated "we might wipe if I dps and don't pay attention to healing" because that's a ridiculous assertion and no good player will ever be so focused on putting out damage that they'll somehow forget they're a healer...

...which brings me back to the original point of this entire thread only being aimed at bad players, and not specifically healers/tanks who dps.

[SchalaZeal]

"we might wipe if I dps and don't pay attention to healing" because that's a ridiculous assertion and no good player will ever be so focused on putting out damage that they'll somehow forget they're a healer...

It's very easy:

1. Be caught up to want to have all dot and Bane before dropping Cleric
2. Have a tank stand in bad they should have avoided
3. Dead tank
4. Wipe

[MisterLucie]

It's very easy:

1. Be caught up to want to have all dot and Bane before dropping Cleric
2. Have a tank stand in bad they should have avoided
3. Dead tank
4. Wipe

That sounds like the tank stepped in something that completely one shot them, which in no way is the healer's fault. If they actually survived it then any decent healer would be able to quickly get out of cleric as soon as the damage happens and save them with an instant bene/tetra/lustrate/whatever.

[Eothas]

In my opinion, a healer that doesn't DPS when they are familiar with the content are just being lazy or bad. I have seen tanks doing their best, using defensive CDs, self-healing, mitigating alot of damage while the healer was just there, looking pretty wandering around, doing nothing. I never said anything to these healers, but IMO they are not good at all.

Excuse-me, but using cure II every 7 seconds is not doing a healers job, it's just being lazy. If you are there needing to heal a lot, using AoE heals, dispelling debuffs, dodging mechanics and keeping the party alive and doesn't have time to DPS, then sure, you are doing your primary job and thats great. but if you are in a simpler content and you have alot of time to DPS and don't do it, to me you are the same as a DPS that do only 300 DPS while they could be doing 1000+.

When I am healing, I always try to contribute with some DPS, not only because it makes the run go faster, but because it's fun aswell.