The issue nobody wants to address

[Whiteroom]

Well if there was a parser, they wouldn't be shown their numbers by anyone, they are just there for all to see. So its not like they could be angry like now when people comit the ultimate taboo and say a number. Their numbers would be there, every run, there would be no denying anything. If someone sees they are doing less than the tank or healer and knows the whole group can see it to...

[Sapphic]

Well if there was a parser, they wouldn't be shown their numbers by anyone, they are just there for all to see. So its not like they could be angry like now when people comit the ultimate taboo and say a number. Their numbers would be there, every run, there would be no denying anything. If someone sees they are doing less than the tank or healer and knows the whole group can see it to...

Exactly this. They would have no ignorance and false ideas that they are doing fine to hide behind. Just like tanks and healers cannot hide behind sub par play.

Maybe some will be offended, but honestly, are they the kind of players you want to be partied up with anyways? To be honest, a lot of bad play is down to ignorance, ignorance fo the fact they think they are doing fine whereas a parser would say, no, you aren't, time to improve.

When I changed to MNK after practice I thought I was doing fine, after using a parser and being in content with a much better MNK it showed me I was vastly mistaken, so modified my play style, read up on different rotations that I practiced until I was hitting similar numbers in content as the other MNK. Yet I didn't rest on my morals either, I pushed and practiced until I was hitting higher.

[Kosmos992k]

Well if there was a parser, they wouldn't be shown their numbers by anyone, they are just there for all to see. So its not like they could be angry like now when people comit the ultimate taboo and say a number. Their numbers would be there, every run, there would be no denying anything. If someone sees they are doing less than the tank or healer and knows the whole group can see it to...

I strongly doubt that any in-game parsing tool suppled or approved by SE will be anything beyond a personal parser. Just putting everyone's numbers out there is a straight up invitation to at the very least unhealthy peer pressure andvat worst outright abuse. This (abuse ranging from unhealthy peer pressure thru outright abuse) is something that Yoshi has explicitly said they do not want in their game.

Some posting to this topic see only what they consider the positive side of things as far as parsers are concerned, and treat them like some kind of silver bullet. Others see parsers an nothing but tools of abuse, and consider them poison. The truth is they are nothing but a tool and how they are used depends on both the user and how those challenged by parser data React. There is such a fine line there between positive and negative. Some agree that parsing has more of a place in end-game content with dps checks vs general 4-man content where it's more limited.

However, the biggest theme in response seems to me to be ignoring the potential downside and it's impact on the community.

[Colorful]

I strongly doubt that any in-game parsing tool suppled or approved by SE will be anything beyond a personal parser. Just putting everyone's numbers out there is a straight up invitation to at the very least unhealthy peer pressure andvat worst outright abuse. This (abuse ranging from unhealthy peer pressure thru outright abuse) is something that Yoshi has explicitly said they do not want in their game.

I've said this before many times, but if they follow through with their addon API and there's no reason not to as they said it's almost done, we'll get a DPS metre like every other MMO out there. It's either they go implement an official one for PS4 players, or make it so it's a PC exclusive thing if there's no official one.

[ChazNatlo]

Personally, I don't mind people telling me how to get better if they're respectful and polite. If they're rude ((Like, very rude, I'm not just talking about being assertive here, I can tell the difference)), I'm much less likely to listen.

Course, I'm mostly competent and don't get lectures one way or another. My runs tend to be very quite in fact.

As a side note, I wonder how many of these side repeat threads would die in infancy if people wouldn't give them the bump to natter about how it's an already covered conversation.

As for Parsers... If I personally had one, I'd have a basic idea of how I'm doing, but if I screwed low ((I assume if we had personal first party parsers, we'd have sites listing optimal and acceptable low end (Between latency, RNG, and just varying levels of ability) DPS numbers one could use to see where they were.)) I'd likely not be certain exactly why I'm doing bad, just that I am. It's a handy first step, knowing that there is a problem though.

[Kosmos992k]

I've said this before many times, but if they follow through with their addon API and there's no reason not to as they said it's almost done, we'll get a DPS metre like every other MMO out there. It's either they go implement an official one for PS4 players, or make it so it's a PC exclusive thing if there's no official one.

They've been trying really hard to keep the player base united regardless of platform. If it's done as part of the game supplied by SE I wonder if this might not end up being the first obvious functionality that skips the PS3. I'd expect any add-on implemented by SE with the API, will come on PS4 as well as PC/Mac.

I still strongly doubt the API will support an in-game parser that identifies individual players, and I don't know how useful folks would consider a party wide dps meter.

[seekified]

Threads like this is the reason the devs don't take the English forums very seriously - we just jump around in circles, spewing thread clones around us as we go.

In most forums I frequent, your thread gets closed if you didn't search for the topic beforehand and a similar thread exists.

[Zephyranthes]

I personally don't mind considering I can form my own groups but I question the mentality of the players who oppose any sort of tool (parsers) or even the usage of str accessories on a tank simply because of unknown reasons? Why be against a faster run explain to me please.

Ehhh... This has been addressed countless times before.

[Welsper59]

Well if there was a parser, they wouldn't be shown their numbers by anyone, they are just there for all to see. So its not like they could be angry like now when people comit the ultimate taboo and say a number. Their numbers would be there, every run, there would be no denying anything. If someone sees they are doing less than the tank or healer and knows the whole group can see it to...

Well the question is, even if we had official parsers... what are you gonna do about someone playing poorly? Put up pretty words as you forcibly kick them from a party that could still have facerolled almost any given content with? You'd probably get reported for that, and honestly... that's rightfully so for that situation. Maybe offer some assistance and expect them to suddenly be better in a matter of seconds/minutes? Believe that you helped that one person, then you suddenly come upon more that you feel needs to be helped, and actually think you'll have the patience to deal with that time and time again? Or, in that situation, would you just become complacent and be back to square one, as though nothing had changed?

I'm not against parsers and would love to see them be official, but this fairy tale belief that they'll suddenly save the whole game from the existence of a bad player is ridiculous and needs to die off lol. Parsers don't even affect bad tanks or healers in this game much, and yet there are A LOT of them around. So you hold a bad DPS accountable... big deal. What does that do? It merely gives you a tool to look down on someone and tell them they need to improve. What does that honestly give you? A pointless witch hunt that does absolutely nothing from the perspective that it spares others of bad players. Chances are, if anyone actually pays attention to that in content that it doesn't matter, you'd actively be looking for someone to "burn at the stake".

Throw that argument and fairy tale defense away and stick to the actual benefit of players that WANT to find self betterment. They're the ones that need the parsers, even though they are likely also the ones who already do use them, or at the very least already are decent at the game because they follow guides/advice. For the long-term bads you encounter now, they will always be bad, and you'll complain and do nothing about it.

[Critical-Limit]

Then that analogy doesn't work. If you make a party finder saying casuals for fun only. And 2 people join in trying to force you to be good. I just don't think that's a realistic scenario. This is a video game, basketball is a game. You have one goal. Win. If you are so lazy in self improving that you're willing to hold back other people from their goals, I dunno what to tell you.