Dear Yoshi P: What is your vision?

[Azurymber]

He has a point there.

The easiest way to use forums to see what people like is to only pay attention to the people in it that aren't screaming, shouting and yelling or insult others for having differences of opinion. No one wants a game that was developed to satisfy forum ragers.

Pay attention to the insightfull ones that simply go "I like this because..." or "Wouldn't it be great if we could...", then see how many people all agree with that opinion (whilst ignoring the troll and flamer posts), then you get a rough idea of what parts of your game some players like. This gives you fuel to work towards adding more of that kind of stuff.

The only other possible way of getting some idea of what new content to add is to get GM's to send /tell to every single player in the game asking "What would you like to see in this game?", but then that'd take forever, a lot of people wouldn't bother answering, and you'd end up with an enormous list of 'wants' that has no centralised options to choose from for adding new content.

thats not the point. the point is certain players will not touch the forums and those players are "different" and like "different" things than the people on the forums due (obviously since they arent inclined to use the forums). By listening to people on the forums only , you only get the opinions of a biased group of people (forum users) while you miss out on the opinions of all others.

the big players poll was done right in january. That was a fairly statistically proper survey.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

thats not the point. the point is certain players will not touch the forums and those players are "different" and like "different" things than the people on the forums due (obviously since they arent inclined to use the forums). By listening to people on the forums only , you only get the opinions of a biased group of people (forum users) while you miss out on the opinions of all others.

the big players poll was done right in january. That was a fairly statistically proper survey.

But what about the people that don't about the lodestone? We're missing out on those people!!!!

[Azurymber]

But what about the people that don't about the lodestone? We're missing out on those people!!!!

thats why i said they couldn't run a perfect poll, because there are also people who stopped playing the game but might come back in the future.

But for people that don't use lodestone, you post a in-game message about it at login, and offer 20,000 gil or a special item if people complete the poll (ex. you use an inventive to maximize the diversity of your sample population). It may even be wiser to offer a choice of prizes to further maximize the differentiation in those polled. Theres lots of techniques that can be used.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

thats why i said they couldn't run a perfect poll, because there are also people who stopped playing the game but might come back in the future.

But for people that don't use lodestone, you post a in-game message about it at login, and offer 20,000 gil or a special item if people complete the poll (ex. you use an inventive to maximize the diversity of your sample population). It may even be wiser to offer a choice of prizes to further maximize the differentiation in those polled. Theres lots of techniques that can be used.

So in other words we need a better launcher? I agree, that why I made a topic in the Other forums. You should post your idea there.

[Azurymber]

So in other words we need a better launcher? I agree, that why I made a topic in the Other forums. You should post your idea there.

ive posted ideas about polls and such and got the generic "we are working on it and adding it in the future" response. And that was months ago. Adding it in after the game is drastically changed defeats the purpose. So i'm under the impression these forums are just to make people think devs care and to report bugs, or that the team is just kinda unorganized

[User201109011315]

thats not the point. the point is certain players will not touch the forums and those players are "different" and like "different" things than the people on the forums due (obviously since they arent inclined to use the forums). By listening to people on the forums only , you only get the opinions of a biased group of people (forum users) while you miss out on the opinions of all others.

the big players poll was done right in january. That was a fairly statistically proper survey.

Poll questions were amateur though.

And you shouldnt need a poll to know what would make a good game.