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    Zumi's Avatar
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    There needs to be some adjustments with fending accessories

    Ok so for the most part Fending Accessories which drop from savage alex are pretty worthless for getting through the zone. There are such high dps checks that pretty much all the tanks are using slaying accessories or crafted vit/str hybrid ones.

    Whenever a fending accessory drops, well this won't help us progress on A3S.

    There really needs to be some kind of overhaul or adjustment with fending accessories, either then also need to have some str on them, or all accessories should have mainstat+vit on them. No other class besides tanks are made to wear accessories that were designed for dps just to progress through the zone.

    Another suggestion to change tanks so their attack is determined by 50% str and 50% vit this is how it worked in 1.0 for warriors, so either stat helps them with damage.
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    Last edited by Zumi; 09-18-2015 at 05:40 AM.

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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    I agree. Neither of the tanks in our static even want them. We're saving our pages for Slaying.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Agreed completely. Ideally I'd like for the non-dps benefits (self-heals and enmity) to be identical between the two. Barring the complexity needed to accomplish that, some bonus STR would do nicely.
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Well maybe in the next zone of Alex, you will need Vit accessories to survive a tankbuster, and there won't be such tight DPS checks?
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    Phafi Flailspike
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    Well maybe in the next zone of Alex, you will need Vit accessories to survive a tankbuster, and there won't be such tight DPS checks?
    We'd still use STR and just say "make sure the tank has adlo, and the boss has eye, virus, and path"
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    Kyan Ashton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phafi View Post
    We'd still use STR and just say "make sure the tank has adlo, and the boss has eye, virus, and path"
    You forgot Disable, Supervirus, Delirium, Dragon Kick and Stoneskin.
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    Ibi Risasi
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    Well maybe in the next zone of Alex, you will need Vit accessories to survive a tankbuster, and there won't be such tight DPS checks?
    The difference in HP between five i210 fending and five i150 penta-melded is 100 VIT, which corresponds to 1450 HP. I have almost 19k in Defiance, without food/party bonus, and I'm not even full i200 left side yet.

    The gap is currently too small, relative to both tank HP and the amount of damage you can mitigate with cooldowns/stoneskin/adlo/etc, for them to make a tank buster that would require VIT accessories.

    The only way to really do it would be to make it hit for so much that it requires VIT accessories and every possible type of mitigation, but then you start running into issues of needing certain party compositions to ensure you have the necessary buffs/debuffs.
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibi View Post
    The difference in HP between five i210 fending and five i150 penta-melded is 100 VIT, which corresponds to 1450 HP. I have almost 19k in Defiance, without food/party bonus, and I'm not even full i200 left side yet.

    The gap is currently too small, relative to both tank HP and the amount of damage you can mitigate with cooldowns/stoneskin/adlo/etc, for them to make a tank buster that would require VIT accessories.

    The only way to really do it would be to make it hit for so much that it requires VIT accessories and every possible type of mitigation, but then you start running into issues of needing certain party compositions to ensure you have the necessary buffs/debuffs.
    Yeah, I get it, it was just an (semi-ironic, since we know SE) idea.
    As a healer I don't see much use in tanks with VIT either. Unless there is noticeable downtime after every major hit, then more HP only makes me waste more MP on topping it up, while more STR = stuff dies faster = less MP used.
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    Nol Lac'nala
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    Well maybe in the next zone of Alex, you will need Vit accessories to survive a tankbuster, and there won't be such tight DPS checks?
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    Violet Flower
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    Well maybe in the next zone of Alex, you will need Vit accessories to survive a tankbuster, and there won't be such tight DPS checks?
    Higher HP don't help much to survive these. Have seen many full VIT tanks die by Akh Morn yet many full STR tanks survived it by properly using their cooldowns. STR accessories are always helpful because they affect your every hit. Extra HP most of the time is not helpful unless you have a bad, bad healer.
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