"Base/Simple" stigma of Paladin and how we must deal with it/prepare for the future.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Tank forums has usually pretty good discussions going on and they are usually "flame free" compared to general section,

If "good discussion" equates to "having the same 2-3 discussions in 100 topics for 2 years", then yeah there is plenty of good discussion.

[Giantbane]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.

something something something tiger blood


at least that's what I got out of it

[Synestra]

If the DPS-is-everything meta is going to stay, maybe Paladins should be buffed more to increase -party- dps in some way.

Aye this is another solution i would be totally fine, instead giving DMG buffs to PLD let them give that missing bit to Healers/DD's. Tho i would still like to see some fine tuning to get rid of some clunkyness and adjustments to some of their skills to be more usable/userfriendly.

[Kemas]

Bump- still no word from SE after this weeks maintenance. What could be a simple fix to our enmity modifiers is apparently turning into a month long lack of usage of PLD's in savage. Super unfortunate. Time to push war 59-60 and accept the new way of life.

[Sekundessounet]

" 1: Can you roll need on STR accessories as a Tank? "

No you can't, and that's a design flaw from the developpers since having 2 VIT & 3 STR accessory is the best combination.

" 2: Did you develop the game? "

No. Doesn't mean that people find out about things the developpers didn't think about. It means the brokeness of Ninja at it's release because players found things to do that the developpers didn't even thought about. Same goes for AST who was absolutely underbalanced. But yeah, everything the developpers made must be gold.

" 4: When tanking, have you ever survived dropping below 800 hp during an encounter that was successfully recovered? "

Yes, because my healer and me do their job, I use some CDs, and they protect me. Because we know when in a situation i'm going to die. If I die, then either the healer or me did something wrong, that's all. Even if it's difficult (as a WAR, Holmgang + Thrill of Battle + Second Wind if you have it, and surprise, your alive and above 2000 HP). Of course I can fail, but it isn't impossible, even in full STR

" 5: While some of the best guilds in the world use STR tanks for progression, do you really think that even a fraction of those who mimic them are close to their level of skill? "

Hell no, but that's the point you're missing. STR gear is the most optimal accessory for Tanks. That is a fact. You deal more aggro, more damage, and being in full STR doesn't make any attack in the game OS you when you use your CDs well. That's why you should be in full STR as your base equipement, and have VIT gear just in case. If you run a casual content like Expert Roulette and you have a healer that don't really mastered their job and aren't very well equiped and confident, then yeah, make it a little easier for him and equip 2 VIT accessory, it's largely enough for what it is, and you won't lose so much aggro generation and DPS. And even in full STR you don't have to go in DPS stance to be efficient enough.
BUT, if you trust your healers and your aggro generation ability, then yeah, go on and stance dance, they know they can keep you alive without much trouble, because healer's toolkit allow it, and it ISN'T difficult. It ISN'T being "respectful" to healers when you try to hold their hands like babies, being respectful is putting trust in them. But yeah, some can't do it because you can't master your job directly when you hit 60. In this case, put on 2 VIT accessory, and everything will be fine. Otherwise, go STR because that's where you'll be more efficient.


And i'd like to say that "All STR tanks I have seen have been laughable pathetic mouthbreathing idiots at best. You should #gitabetterPRdepartment "isn't any kind of an argument. Replace STR by VIT and LOOK, it's the same things and it don't even make sense.

Of COURSE a full VIT Tank can perform very well, even in Savage the day the DPS have enough gear it can be viable. But it is NOT what's the more optimal. And actually when doing end-game, you have to be optimal, that's progression.

Oh and " 5 : There is a very high chance you are not nearly as good as you think you are. Like, "I can see my house from here!" kinda high. ". You do realize it applies more to you than anybody else on this topic since your the only one boasting about "YEAH I'M BETTER THAN 99% of the player base" ? That's called being a dick.

One last thing : your first argument was "people using STR gear are just mindless idiot following the mass, like they do with Justin Bieber LOL". Now, realize that the vast MAJORITY of players are using ful VIT gear. Yeah bro, you're part of the mass, but I suppose it isn't bad this time.
If you see more people using STR on this forums, it's because here people care about how to play their job optimally, which you don't since you think you're part of the best tanks on this game and just deny everything proven to you out of sheer selfishness and pride.


Now, if you want, we can discuss Tanking like grown ups instead of using dramasentence, treating people like shit when they don't agree, and have other arguments than "LOL I'M RIGHT YOUR WRONG LELELELELE".

Good Day Sir.

[Sekundessounet]

Bump- still no word from SE after this weeks maintenance. What could be a simple fix to our enmity modifiers is apparently turning into a month long lack of usage of PLD's in savage. Super unfortunate. Time to push war 59-60 and accept the new way of life.

Wait for 3.1 I think

[Kemas]

Yeah they want war/DRK to be the only savage tanks apparently and us PLD can run it once they add echo so it doesn't hurt our raid group too much loll

[Sekundessounet]

Na, you won't see Echo or savage in the Duty Finder before at least 3.2

[Seshayn]

Sek, I was gonna respond to your... answers, but then I started reading them and my brain cells started jumping off cliffs. There is just way too much bad and wrong in your post for me to address, when it's just going to fall on the deaf ears of someone without the capacity to comprehend anything that doesn't come with a gitgud hashtag. Enjoy your ignorance, I hear it's bliss.

However, one piece of advice would be to go pick up a dictionary and look up the word "fact" and the word "opinion" and see if you can tell the difference. You are welcome.

Good. Day.

P.S. It's so funny how I notice the join date of some of these.... "people" lol July. Such experience. Much knowledge. Wow. Also, you don't even have a tank. Get out of our forums you misinformed miscreant.

[Zaresin]

They just need to get rid of the DPS factor for tanks. If tanks want to DPS then roll a damn DPS. I play pld when I tank. When I heal I honestly prefer pld tanks. They are more reliable and predictable.