[Suggestion] Make Stone II and Stone III into the same skill.

[OPneedNerfs]

This is more of an issue when syncing to anything before acquiring Stone III.

Why not make it so that Stone III was a trait which increased Stone II damage after you obtain it.

This way, whether you're synced or not, your main Single Target DPS spell wouldn't need to change.

Current state:
Get synced, swap out Stone III for Stone II on hotbar.

Proposed state:
Synced or not, Stone II remains on hotbar.

[Elysaine]

Guess we can use something similar on AST as well. With Malefic 1 & 2.

[deos]

if you dont use <tt> you can just create a makro for both (and even stone 1)

/micon "stone III"
/merror
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone" <t>

those kind of makros sometimes have problems though so you cast stone 2 at lvl 60 since the first command didnt go off for some reason. but someone mentioned before repeating each command a few times fixes this

/micon "stone III"
/merror
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone" <t>

would be crazy to do something like that for <tt> makros though so im not using it.
but whats the problem with all 3 stone skills on the bar, im using 4 skill bars anyway just for combat/healing (playing on pc)

[Nerael]

if you dont use <tt> you can just create a makro for both (and even stone 1)

/micon "stone III"
/merror
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone" <t>

those kind of makros sometimes have problems though so you cast stone 2 at lvl 60 since the first command didnt go off for some reason. but someone mentioned before repeating each command a few times fixes this

/micon "stone III"
/merror
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone III" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone II" <t>
/ac "stone" <t>

would be crazy to do something like that for <tt> makros though so im not using it.
but whats the problem with all 3 stone skills on the bar, im using 4 skill bars anyway just for combat/healing (playing on pc)

I did the same but had to problem that stone II sometimes casted instead of Stone III, thanks for a solution to the issue

[Adrasteia]

I did the same but had to problem that stone II sometimes casted instead of Stone III, thanks for a solution to the issue

I'd recommend using a macro along these lines, instead:

/micon "Protect"
/merror
/ac "Protect" <t>
/hotbar action "Stone" X Y
/hotbar action "Stone II" X Y
/hotbar action "Stone III" X Y

X should be the bar number that your Stone III key is located on, while Y should be the slot on the hotbar where the Stone III key is located. Put this macro on to the hotbar slot where you normally have Protect. When you then cast Protect, it will replace Stone III with the sync-appropriate Stone skill. This also gets around the errors you can get with one of the above-mentioned "all-in-one" Stone macros.

[Tint]

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thanks for that ^^

[winsock]

If SE is wanting to keep Stone II and III they way they are, I agree with this thread.

But, tbh, i would prefer it more if Stone II and III were unique enough to both be viable skills at 60.

[Nerael]

I'd recommend using a macro along these lines, instead:

/micon "Protect"
/merror
/ac "Protect" <t>
/hotbar action "Stone" X Y
/hotbar action "Stone II" X Y
/hotbar action "Stone III" X Y

X should be the bar number that your Stone III key is located on, while Y should be the slot on the hotbar where the Stone III key is located. Put this macro on to the hotbar slot where you normally have Protect. When you then cast Protect, it will replace Stone III with the sync-appropriate Stone skill. This also gets around the errors you can get with one of the above-mentioned "all-in-one" Stone macros.

Madam, you are officially my hero of the day and I now consider you genius. I tip my hat to thee. May RNGesus forever roll in your favor.

I had tried the other solution, yet still I wound up using Stone instead of Stone III yesterday. Thank you for making me see the light.

[Velo_Vandore]

I'd recommend using a macro along these lines, instead:

/micon "Protect"
/merror
/ac "Protect" <t>
/hotbar action "Stone" X Y
/hotbar action "Stone II" X Y
/hotbar action "Stone III" X Y

X should be the bar number that your Stone III key is located on, while Y should be the slot on the hotbar where the Stone III key is located. Put this macro on to the hotbar slot where you normally have Protect. When you then cast Protect, it will replace Stone III with the sync-appropriate Stone skill. This also gets around the errors you can get with one of the above-mentioned "all-in-one" Stone macros.

Can't wait to try this! Thank you.

EDIT: Worked! ^^ For cross hotbars:

/micon "Protect"
/merror
/ac "Protect"
/chotbar set "Stone II" X Y
/chotbar set "Stone III" X Y

again X = cross-hotbar number
Y = slot, eg RAR (right trigger, action buttons, right button), LDU (left trigger, dpad buttons, up button)

Stone II/III doesn't replace Stone (I) due to it's heavy effect. I keep that on it's own slot.

[giantslayer]

those kind of makros sometimes have problems though so you cast stone 2 at lvl 60 since the first command didnt go off for some reason.

I can explain the reason.
First, macro commands don't queue, so if you hit the button just a hair before GCD or OGCD is ready, the command does nothing.
Second, the lines of a macro do not all execute simultaneously. There is a split second delay between each line.

What happens is you hit the macro just before the first ability is able to be executed, so the first ability doesn't go off. A split second later, when the macro tries the second ability, it has a chance to go off if that split second made the difference for being ready.

Macros with multiple casts create a ghetto queue of sorts by spamming the same command with those split second delays. Put enough of them together and it will make a difference. This buys you a little leeway to hit the button a tad too early.

This does come at a cost of a delay with the second ability if you are sync' down, but for many, that is an acceptable price to pay for the convenience and saving a slot. (I do this for Broil/Ruin.)