Savage Alexander and the Paladin Exodus

[NFaelivrin]

The usual argument WAR/DRK will give is the shield argument. They somehow say parry is crap but think shields r OP. Hypocrites everywhere.

Block used to be pretty good around the FCOB cycle when physical damage was plentiful and a Dreadwyrm Shield/Aegis Shield Zeta would block about 34% of physical damage approximately a third of the time, so the passive physical mitigation was around 10% on average. But shield stats are downscaled significantly at 60, an Antiquated Prytwen only blocks 21% of physical damage on a successful block, so block is weaker than it has ever been.

[Brian_]

Block also blocked a lot of significant damage like Death Sentence, Raven's Beak, Bahamut's Claw, Critical Rip, Secondary Head, Revelation, etc. before. In AS it basically blocks nothing worth noting.

[Kyne_Lyons]

From a glance, PLD's magical mitigation really doesn't seem that far off from DRK or WAR provided you have a MNK in your static. However, the most well-rounded and impactful of the tanks is undeniably warrior. Aside from multi-purpose mitigation, they provide added dps to the raid via both Storm's eye and their OT stance and that's something no serious raid will ever consider throwing away regardless of what tank has better mitigation vs whatever specific fight.

TL;DR They all have about the same mitigation but WAR+DRK > WAR+PLD in terms of DPS.

Every tank buster being Magical damage means that I can use Dark Arts + Dark Mind and have a cooldown nearly as powerful as Sentinel on a 60 second cooldown. This lets me Shadowskin more aggressively to drop Grit and use Blood Weapon at no cost of effective mitigation increasing my DPS even further. Dark Knight is miles ahead of Paladin on Magical mitigation. This isn't at a glance either, this is in practical application. This is on A3S and A4S, the hardest content in the game.

[Brannigan]

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Check your timers and numbers. Foresight is a 2 minute cooldown on paladin and dark knight, 90s on warrior. Thrill of Battle is 20% HP. Hallowed Ground is a 420 second cooldown. Sentinel is 40% mitigation. You forgot Sheltron, which will be amazing for single hit physical tank busters, but I doubt we'll be getting many of those in the future because Sheltron exists. You also left out Raw Intuition for warriors.

[Kyne_Lyons]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...xander_savage/

More perspective from another endgame raider, the Paladin analysis is fairly accurate. Worth a read and further evidence that endgame groups simply don't want Paladins anymore.

[Iagainsti]

Anyone recall world first T5 being PLD/PLD?
Eff me, my first runs at Caduceus in i70 as a Warrior didn't cut it #Hoodswipe. I had to raid as a dps to get my chest, and wait for a few weeks for myth gear to attempt that as a tank. Then the hottie came and #rejoice. Wait your turns PLDs of the forums. It'll come

[Nadirah]

Anyone recall world first T5 being PLD/PLD?
Eff me, my first runs at Caduceus in i70 as a Warrior didn't cut it #Hoodswipe. I had to raid as a dps to get my chest, and wait for a few weeks for myth gear to attempt that as a tank. Then the hottie came and #rejoice. Wait your turns PLDs of the forums. It'll come

And we'll have spent all our esoterics gearing up another job and not go back to paladin because of the gear discrepancy.

"That time" should never be a thing. Ever.

[sydh]

This is the point of not having every damn job perform the exact same role as their counterparts. Some jobs are and will be better at certain aspects.

[Kyne_Lyons]

As I've said before, there's a large gap between being "better in some aspects" and being outright detrimental to a group. A1S-A3S clearing this week was the easiest it has ever been since switching to Dark Knight and the benefits in A4S are already noticeable. With less gear.

[Sapphic]

This is the point of not having every damn job perform the exact same role as their counterparts. Some jobs are and will be better at certain aspects.

And you can't see that as being a bad thing? Luckily enough Yoshi does see it thus and generally jobs are buffed so they are as viable as the other jobs in the same archetype.

FFXI was terrible for that.