Idea: Split Archer into Bard and Ranger

[Noelzzz]

What exactly would a Thief bring that's not already covered by Rogue/Ninja?

Would bring a different way to play the rogue class. First of all no mudra system, this permits to enjoy the archetype to all not only jap or awsome connections. It is an iconic job (i see Thief more iconic than ninja actually) and i dont see why shouldnt be in thisgame when even the lore confirms there are thief. The iconic steal could be used to buff yourself or debuff enemies and stealth as a buff that let you use certain skills, for example:

Stealspeed: would works like heavy trust for DRG, gives 15% att speed bonus and rear bonus damage

Cloak and dagger: you gain the effect of vanish for 10 seconds. (it lets you use Sneak or trick attack and other jobs skills)

Evisceration: Rear bonus 260 usable only under the effect of vanish

Steal-TP: Steal 20% of missing tp

Shadow step: Teleport right behind target and stun

i could actually continue and write other 5 skills but i'll stop for now. I'm pretty sure that adding thief would make happy many FF fans

[Shirobi]

A ranged class has more mobility and i don't see bards have any problem on this.

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[Zentsa]

Wanderer's Minuet says "Hi2u"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsBX1Yq7lQA
Dont have any Problem with WM.

[DestinovaTrueblade]

yea, people act like 1.5 second cast time root you to the ground for some reason.

[Umbreon_skystorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsBX1Yq7lQA
Dont have any Problem with WM.

[RiceisNice]

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So now you're basically pre 3.0 slapping DRG skills with ROG animations. You're still going to do the same 1-2-3 combo, maintain the same DoTs and debuffs, except now you've also introduced lancer mechanics (using buffs pre-skill and maintaining a buff through a skill, as well as a reliable cap closer) and making the two classes closer than before.

People still debating WM and how it doesn't root you

It's not the mobility issue, at least I hope that's not what the OP is targeting.

[Zaresin]

But then you still don't address the main issue; they want to run and gun and not be punished for it.

Them being run and gun was the reason they were nerfed prior to crystal tower to begin with as bard was the number one class used and stacked regardless of job party buff. And still able to put out consistant DPS.

Honestly, blm and brd were the two easiest classes to play, now they are no longer easy mode. I really hate to be that person but this honestly seems like a get good problem. New levels and skills brings new mechanics. Brds need to learn to stance dance and when it is appropriate. Now you know how healers feel. Them changing it and removing the cast times WM creates is something in all likelihood they will not do.

[Noelzzz]

So now you're basically pre 3.0 slapping DRG skills with ROG animations. You're still going to do the same 1-2-3 combo, maintain the same DoTs and debuffs, except now you've also introduced lancer mechanics (using buffs pre-skill and maintaining a buff through a skill, as well as a reliable cap closer) and making the two classes closer than before.

Lol. Just lol. You said that rogue and lancer were totally different and now you are saying that are pretty similar. Every melee DPS in this game will have the 123 combo with 2 dots and a self buff. deal with that

[RiceisNice]

Lol. Just lol. You said that rogue and lancer were totally different and now you are saying that are pretty similar. Every melee DPS in this game will have the 123 combo with 2 dots and a self buff. deal with that

You're making thief similar to LNC by adding them LNC-esq abilties. ROG does not use an attack ability to maintain their buffs, or have that many positionals compared to LCN. So before you start berating other people, make sure to read and understand where they're coming from >_>

[Noelzzz]

You're making thief similar to LNC by adding them LNC-esq abilties. ROG does not use an attack ability to maintain their buffs, or have that many positionals compared to LCN. So before you start berating other people, make sure to read and understand where they're coming from >_>

What is the "LNC-esq" skill? Let me guess, Steel-speed? the selfbuff each dps jobs have already?