[To the Devs] Please add this to Wolves' Den 2.0

[nickx]

With the upcoming additions to Wolves' Den in 3.2, this is a perfect opportunity to make some quality of life changes. One of the most in demand ones would be to add an enemy list of your opponents, to make it easier to target, see their health bars, and see what jobs you're up against. Here is an example (not real):

http://i.imgur.com/aZ43Nz2.jpg?1

I understand that memory limitations seem to always be an issue, however, this would simply be using the same enemy list already provided in the HUD.

Using the same idea above, this could also tell both teams what jobs they are up against before the gates open. As of right now, we can "kind of" see the enemies through the gates (especially summoner and scholar pets), so why not? Either show the jobs of the opposing team before the gates open or don't show them at all. Having us zoom in between the gates and kind of see what we're up against seems silly and outdated.

[Mikedizzy]

Who is even going to do this content??

[CeveArthu]

Who is even going to do this content??

...the ones that already do wolves den and those that prefer a competitive setting over a casual one like frontlines?

[Culfinrandir]

Who is even going to do this content??

It's actually very popular with many players. The issue is, right now, those who enjoy it can only play against each other because nobody new wants to join.

The reason nobody new is playing is because the entire player base (most of whom down n't even know what WD is) keeps telling them it's not worth it, or that it's dead. It became a self perpetuating myth. Those who have played it properly tend to lament this fact.

[Februs]

The reason nobody new is playing is because the entire player base (most of whom down n't even know what WD is) keeps telling them it's not worth it, or that it's dead. It became a self perpetuating myth. Those who have played it properly tend to lament this fact.

A self Perpetuating myth that's also partly perpetuated by horrible que times. I know Wolves Den isn't dead. C'eve told me as much in another thread, and I followed C'eve's advice to try and get some variety in my PvP experience. However, the que times are absurd. Regardless of the time of day I've qued at, the result is always the same. The average wait time for me has never, not even once, been less than 30 minutes, and, if you have the patience to stick it out, it only gets worse. Longest I waited before I just gave up was 45 (getting close to the halfway point through a movie without so much as a blip on the radar was a little frustrating).

I don't know why it's like that. I know there are people out there who still play it, but I can't seem to get in. It's like my DF just locks me out of it. The only option I haven't been able to try is a pre-made group. C'eve recommended joining a LS for this kind of thing, which I have. Several, in fact. However, the PvP community on Diabolos is not even remotely close to being what you guys would call "active." 3 LS's and counting and I can't get a group, let alone organize a match.

So, as much as the die hard, "hardcore," PvP'ers out there swear that the death of Wolves Den is just a myth, to people like me, who have spent hours trying to play even one match, it seems pretty dead. It might very well be a myth, but, at this point I can't say the myth is entirely self perpetuated or unjustified.

[Soular]

post ^

Doesn't part of the issue have to do with the awkward way that they match people?

IIRC you can only fight a group who's total overall PvP rank is within +7/-7 of your own group's or something like that.

I understand its trying to put you up against players who have similar ranks, though by that logic there'd be nothing stopping a team with a rank 50/0/0/0 from going up against a team with a rank 10/15/15/10, if it works how I think it does.

In all honesty it seems like that also contributes to the longer queues, if not outright butchers them sometimes. I could be wrong.

[CeveArthu]

Doesn't part of the issue have to do with the awkward way that they match people?

IIRC you can only fight a group who's total overall PvP rank is within +7/-7 of your own group's or something like that.

I understand its trying to put you up against players who have similar ranks, though by that logic there'd be nothing stopping a team with a rank 50/0/0/0 from going up against a team with a rank 10/15/15/10, if it works how I think it does.

In all honesty it seems like that also contributes to the longer queues, if not outright butchers them sometimes. I could be wrong.

you arn;t wrong, minus some minor nuances you have to deal with as a max ranker this is pretty much how the system works

[Blubbers]

This would definitely be a huge quality of life adjustment. I'm weird and enjoy the antics of hiding before the gate opens and peeking through to figure out who I'm up against, but I definitely wouldn't be sad to see that go either.

[nickx]

This would definitely be a huge quality of life adjustment. I'm weird and enjoy the antics of hiding before the gate opens and peeking through to figure out who I'm up against, but I definitely wouldn't be sad to see that go either.

Yeah, perhaps the whole "peeking through the gates" change is just my preference and isn't really detrimental right now, and I'd rather most of the focus be on adding that enemy list for sure.

It would also be great if anyone who regularly posts on the JP forums could display that picture example over on their PvP forums, as I believe that forum gets a little more dev attention than ours.

[Culfinrandir]

Doesn't part of the issue have to do with the awkward way that they match people?

IIRC you can only fight a group who's total overall PvP rank is within +7/-7 of your own group's or something like that.

(snip)

In all honesty it seems like that also contributes to the longer queues, if not outright butchers them sometimes. I could be wrong.

That's exactly the problem. Why people organise 4x2 on the PF is because they can use a spreadsheet to balance the team to ensure that they get it. It's SE's fault because most WD devotees already have these teams sorted so a lone queuer can never get in.