Bard - they broke my job

[aabe]

Not to disagree, but aren't dragoons doing like 1500?

examples for the sake of examples

[SirSaber]

Numbers here numbers there, for me BRD lost it's mojo.

The grove I allways felt while running and shooting, positioning ahead, evading while doing a barel roll mid air.
It's all gone now, I can either suck it up and be a BRD with a black pointy hat so I do my required DPS or play the old way and do less DPS than a WAR.

*sigh* ...a shame.

[Clarkamite]

Bard used to be king of that, now we are not. MCH are better at it and Swiftcast can be used in a pinch to maintain BLM rotation. If I'm trying to IJ w/ 3s DoTs left and an AoE goes down under me: goodbye to 2 globals, 140 tp (resource management) and potency to boot, on top of the plain old potency lost from missing the global.

I'll give you that last bit but I'll add that it's not like BLM doesn't have that same thing going on. If we run into a situation where we can't or shouldn't be using our swiftcast just to "maintain our rotation" (which is most of the time) we're not just losing a cast. We lost a huge nuke and the potential for several more huge nukes. Movement doesn't just suck for BLM now, it has the potential to be completely killer even when you plan for it.

Just so there's no confusion, I'm not arguing with you to say that Bards have it so easy and should just keep quiet. I leveled my bard just to see what it was like and while, personally, I don't really find it that difficult or "clunky" having played a BLM for the last two years, I do see where the frustration is. I just really find it hard to take anyone seriously who likens the Bards current situation to a BLM. More than once now the Bard in my static has complained about his "3 second casts" and every time he says it I just want to beat his face in. Bard doesn't have 3 second casts. Don't get me wrong when I say this because I absolute love BLM and I don't really have any issue with its current play style, but I would KILL for a 1.5 second cast time. I'd never miss a cast for any reason ever.

[Mikedizzy]

Totally true....I think playing Black Mage also helps me as Bard a ton. The 1.5 to me is not big deal I have learned to just play around it and it is not difficult and I don't think it "ruins" my thoughts of the job because I have played it since Beta phase 3 and I will always play it. If you really like a job you will roll with whatever changes they make...I think those that want to quit the job did not really like it to begin with.

[Kumori_Kumo]

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You know what's weird? I play SCH, and in really bad fights up to T9 I've had to hardcast multiple raises in a row. Eight full seconds. It's agonizing, but it makes all other casts feel much more reasonable.
And yet, if my Warrior's DPS stance added a 1.5 second cast timer to all my moves it would drive me insane. There's no way I would ever want to do it. Very often what we find okay in one is just intolerable in the other. Isn't that odd?

[seorin]

If you really like a job you will roll with whatever changes they make...I think those that want to quit the job did not really like it to begin with.

lol, you can't be serious. If they changed BRD into a healer that uses songs, would you automatically like it just because they still call it "Bard"? Would it be ok for them to add a pet for us to manage, make us stand in melee range, change us into a healer, force us to buy and carry ammo, or change our songs into a mudra-like system where we have to manually play the right combination of notes? What about all of these things at once? At what point is the change too much and it's no longer the job you loved? Everybody has that point. Who are you to say where it should be for anyone else?

btw, I enjoy playing my Bard. I just have enough empathy to understand why other people don't.

[Aiselia]

If you really like a job you will roll with whatever changes they make...I think those that want to quit the job did not really like it to begin with.

Unless if the change removes the thing you liked about the job.

I mean, really? So if they changed Ninja into a ranged DPS that just has a bunch of different ninjutsus and throwing weapons, anyone that quits because they liked it as a melee just never liked it to begin with?

So how do you explain that I still use my Bard for high level roulette because it scales me under the change, if I don't like it to begin with? I mean, I quit my Bard as main because I don't like the change, so according to you I don't like the job period, but I do play it in the runs where it's still the thing I liked. But that can't be, because that wouldn't make sense according to your theory.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

This is still going. . .

I don't even know what to say anymore. Still leveling BRD (decided to focus more on WHM for now as it was needed more by my static/FC), having no issues with movement, damage, or cast times, and Barrage + Empyreal Arrow made me fall in love with BRD all over again.

I can understand if you just simply don't like losing the ability to move freely and still DPS. But overall Minuet is a great tool that does in fact require adjustment to use. Those who can, do. Those who can't, probably quit being a BRD. Their choice entirely. SE didn't break anything. They added a DPS utility to a job that was shoehorned into Support at the expense of DPS, and while that aspect hasn't gone away, we're still better for it in the end.

[DisappointedMan]

I made a BRD because my friends couldn't find one.

I got it to 53 and I don't think I can go much further.
In all my time of playing MMOs, I've never seen a class torn to shreds such as this one.
Not only did they change the tone and play style of the whole class, a major reason why people pick a specific class, but your skills no longer work properly with each other.
A poor, uninspired design choice with a ridiculously negative response rate is still being "tweaked" instead of nuked.
This is why games have public beta servers; when you try release this sort of nonsense you can be told to quit early.

[Reinha]

So how do you explain that I still use my Bard for high level roulette because it scales me under the change, if I don't like it to begin with?

Haha I do the same thing. Currently leveling bard by doing only high roulette on it and also did the old relic quest until I got Animus for glamour. It's slow but it doesn't matter seeing as there are plenty of other jobs I can use for clan marks, fates and leveling roulette.