Astrologians were fine the way they were!

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Omfg. People are so damn jealous lol. WHM and SCH were OP before, let AST be on the same level. Are you seeing parties saying no to a WHM or SCH just because they are not an AST? I haven't and I highly doubt there will be because guess what, WHM is not useless, SCH is not worse, only thing changed here is AST becoming better and at the same level as the other 2 healers. These fixes were definetely needed. They didn't randomly adjust the abilities and healing potencies. They studied the fights, recollected data based on Savage. These adjustments were the results of what they saw AST needed in order to achieve the same level of utility.

Oh and Nimue, please. AST was definetly NOT equal. lol

[NimueAstolat]

I've never cried about the fact that WHM will be replaced by AST, and I main WHM. I don't feel threatened by AST.

It won't replace WHM, but the fact they made it almost as viable a healer as whm and keeps the party buffs, is broken.

What are you talking about? AST was anything but equal. It wasn't even close to equal. AST is equal now because the job can actually heal, as long as my cards dont heal, i can't call myself a healer. if we go by your logic they would need to buff our cards into op'nes. A thing that would kill the whm instantly because then it would be AST/SCH.

It was doing what it was supposed to. Again AST was meant to be weaker at healing to trade off for the party buffs. Just like how SCH is weaker at healing but trades off for the use of shields and fairy.

[NimueAstolat]

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People were saying no to AST, because the majority of people playing it sucked at playing it, which created a negative stigma to people playing it. If AST was as bad as people were saying it wouldn't be usable in savage, yet people have clears with AST in the party. But OMG ur so right AST was totally broken LOL.

[RyouAkizuki]

It was doing what it was supposed to. Again AST was meant to be weaker at healing to trade off for the party buffs. Just like how SCH is weaker at healing but trades off for the use of shields and fairy.

Except that didn't make Sch a weak healer. The easy of shields and the fairy made it actually a very very strong healer.

[CottonCandyLand]

It was doing what it was supposed to. Again AST was meant to be weaker at healing to trade off for the party buffs. Just like how SCH is weaker at healing but trades off for the use of shields and fairy.

Not wasn't AST are supposed to heal, they couldn't do that, because the cards where weak as heck and the heals where even worse. There is a reason why progress guildes took WHM/SCH for the endcontent. AST was supposed to be a full fledged healer, on par with SCH/WHM and it was not, saying anything else is a straight made up lie. Im sorry but i'm done. This discussion is meaningless if you fail to see that the AST was just too weak.

[SenzorialBoundries]

Except that didn't make Sch a weak healer. The easy of shields and the fairy made it actually a very very strong healer.

Dont get started about sch , sch got all the hate since HW , ninja embrace nerf , useless dissiaption that still isint fixed/buffed to a point where its worth using it , borderline useless emergency tactics , there is 0 point in emergency tactics, selene nerf on casters , and lustrate change from 25% to 600 potency which is also not affected by dissipation, when are those fixes coming? better just overbuff a class bcs there is a large playerbase playing it and find it cool so lets make them happy.

[NimueAstolat]

Except that didn't make Sch a weak healer. The easy of shields and the fairy made it actually a very very strong healer.

Yes their unique utility is what made them good, they were weaker than whm but they brought helpful utility to the group. AST utility was party buffs and that's what needed a rework, not the healing being on par with whm.

[Cynfael]

Dont get started about sch , sch got all the hate since HW , ninja embrace nerf , useless dissiaption that still isint fixed/buffed to a point where its worth using it , borderline useless emergency tactics , there is 0 point in emergency tactics, selene nerf on casters , and lustrate change from 25% to 600 potency which is also not affected by dissipation, when are those fixes coming? better just overbuff a class bcs there is a large playerbase playing it and find it cool so lets make them happy.

Yet for all of these supposed issues, SCH remains very powerful.

Dissipation is indeed terrible at what it's supposed to do, but I can't agree on the rest. ET is fantastic for handling certain mechanics, Lustrate change is more of a buff than it is a nerf, and the change to Selene's haste was a buff in virtually all cases except that of a BLM rocking high SPSPD.

As for Embrace, they should have just said that they were nerfing it and called it a day. Unless there's some magic point in their scaling formula at which Embrace starts to catch up again, it's a nerf. I'm not sure it isn't a necessary nerf, though, with how strong the rest of the SCH's kit is now.

[Meow9000]

regen what? any respecable scholar uses selene and not eos.

Pretty sure this is crap, cuz Rouse + Whispering dawn = more chance to dps. Alongside a healing buff. I've seen significantly more Eos then serene except in double SCH scenarios. Sure an attack speed boost is nice but negligible at best

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

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Okay so 99% of the playerbase sucked at it, including japanese players. Okay. I don't know if you read a thread time ago about a good end game raider that wanted to main AST in Savage and tried to and even though he managed to beat floor 1 and 2, he aknowledged the obvious problems with the job. He was very good, but being good can only take you so far if the job is limiting. He was asked to change to WHM because it was obviously more reliable. Lots, LOTS of Astrologians trying Savage saw the obvious flaws, including myself. I don't know what world you are living in but it's very clear that when 99% of the playerbase playing AST felt their job was lacking is for a reason.

And just how many OUT of the whole AST population managed to beat floor 1 and 2 in comparison to WHM/SCH combo huh? And if they beat it was obviously because the cohealer had to put much more weight. if AST had been fine then why didn't they beat it at the same rate as a WHM/SCH combo? There is a reason the chart they showed on Live Letter had the majority of people playing WHM/SCH but AST was a whooping 15%.