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    Player
    Galgarion's Avatar
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    Famine Cruor
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    Mateus
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    Marauder Lv 70

    Astrologians were fine the way they were!

    ...Said no one ever!

    Congratulations guys. Hell, congratulations to me too, now I don't have to get nervous when Duty finder matches me with an Ast healer. Nothing personal of course, you guys could be a little scary in a crunch situation was all. Not any more, though!

    At the same time, my condolances for all the rage threads from angry Scholars that are going to start popping up this week,
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    Nexas Uthenera
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 61
    (As someone that mains as a sch) why are scholars angry? Sch didn't get nerffed. And an other job that needed a buff got it. With these new changes im actually excited to split my time 50/50 between ast and sch (which is what i'v wanted to do ever since i heard ast was a thing) here's one scholar that won't rage 1 bit
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by nexas506 View Post
    (As someone that mains as a sch) why are scholars angry? Sch didn't get nerffed. And an other job that needed a buff got it. With these new changes im actually excited to split my time 50/50 between ast and sch (which is what i'v wanted to do ever since i heard ast was a thing) here's one scholar that won't rage 1 bit
    Just curious, where are sch's angry? Ast doesn't actually give them any competition still. Ast is the healer I enjoy playing the most, but it's still not up to par with the other two.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eudyptes View Post
    Just curious, where are sch's angry? Ast doesn't actually give them any competition still. Ast is the healer I enjoy playing the most, but it's still not up to par with the other two.
    AST's Nocturnal shields override SCH's Galvanize shields, and now shield MORE than a SCH's Galvanize.
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    Eudyptes's Avatar
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    AST's Nocturnal shields override SCH's Galvanize shields, and now shield MORE than a SCH's Galvanize.
    Testing on my ast and sch I'm finding the difference is negligible. From everyone on the other thread, mathematically ast's non-crit shield is better by 2-3 potency at best. This is the very definition of being overdramatic. And considering that non-crit shields aren't the only aspect of the two classes, my point stands.
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    SenzorialBoundries's Avatar
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    Polaris Sonata
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    Phoenix
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Eudyptes View Post
    Testing on my ast and sch I'm finding the difference is negligible. From everyone on the other thread, mathematically ast's non-crit shield is better by 2-3 potency at best. This is the very definition of being overdramatic. And considering that non-crit shields aren't the only aspect of the two classes, my point stands.
    In what world 300 potency + the bonus from the sect + the 130% bonus is exactly 2-3 potency over succor?
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    Roxas Andrade
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    Famfrit
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    AST's Nocturnal shields override SCH's Galvanize shields, and now shield MORE than a SCH's Galvanize.
    The AST that tries to override SCH shield is doing something wrong. AST should be in Diurnal when in a party with a SCH.
    If you're talking about people bring AST over SCH, don't worry. SCH still has it's uses.
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    EinherjarLucian's Avatar
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    Chalyss Hearthglenne
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    AST's Nocturnal shields override SCH's Galvanize shields, and now shield MORE than a SCH's Galvanize.
    Just saying, but a smart AST in a party will switch to Diurnal if there's an SCH. So no, generally, an AST's shields will not override an SCH's shields, because an AST will be putting up regens instead.

    What this does mean is that if I'm the AST in the party with a WHM, I won't feel like the shields I'm putting up (because I'm going Nocturnal with a WHM in the party) are completely useless.
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    Brynhildr
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    Dancer Lv 90
    SCH probably upset because this means that generally speaking you will be deciding in your raid group between SCH and AST.

    AST regen is (probably, idk) still worse than WHM and does not bring MND (seriously, MND vs PIE NEEDS to change) so you lock in WHM and by consequence you lose some SCH spots to AST.

    Not to say AST didn't deserve buffs, but we do not have as many slots for healers as we would probably like.
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
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    Monk Lv 100
    The thing is, ast now gives whm more of a run for it's money than sch. All of the things that made sch good to have before are left uncontested. However ast closes the gap between whm by a fair bit. If people choose whm over ast for the reasons you stated, then ast is left where it was before the patch as "the benched healer".
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