No changes to ninja.

[Shurrikhan]

BRD actually isn't 'incredibly TP efficient' if you're playing the job right. Even with low skill speed. Iron Jaws is great, but Empyreal Arrow negates the TP benefits Iron Jaws provides. If you're playing optimally you will barely reach your 2nd invigorate or sometimes not make it with 500 skill speed. Considering BiS BRD builds have over 700 skill speed we face similar issues to NIN.

I pretty well made the decision to go Ninja over Bard, myself, upon running the BiS calculations for each and seeing how much unavoidable SS there was. I left my Bard with as little SS as possible before swapping, and have sadly come to remember it in that unadulterated, TP-efficient state (at least compared to my other physical dps).

[Seaverin]

well does bard tp tick yields more than MCH tp tick? or are they both the same? I don't think nin have a tp shortage problem, the responsibility of "refreshner duty" doesn't entirely solely falls under nin, I goad War when i can when my CDs aren't avail; maybe party setup. I do use invig only once most of the time and the rest the brd or mch takes care of it.

[Ryaz]

well does bard tp tick yields more than MCH tp tick? or are they both the same? I don't think nin have a tp shortage problem, the responsibility of "refreshner duty" doesn't entirely solely falls under nin, I goad War when i can when my CDs aren't avail; maybe party setup. I do use invig only once most of the time and the rest the brd or mch takes care of it.

MCH and BRD refreshes are identical.

[Phoenicia]

well does bard tp tick yields more than MCH tp tick? or are they both the same? I don't think nin have a tp shortage problem, the responsibility of "refreshner duty" doesn't entirely solely falls under nin, I goad War when i can when my CDs aren't avail; maybe party setup. I do use invig only once most of the time and the rest the brd or mch takes care of it.

You shouldn't goad the WAR. WAR is the only tank that does NOT need it. PLD and DRK hurt for TP way more. Unless you're talking A2S, then that's a different story.

[Alahra]

Given that NIN is on just about every one of the high end raid groups right now, anyone pining for NIN buffs is bound to be disappointed. Obviously, they're bringing enough to the table that they're wanted, and they tend to only make changes when a class is being sidelined for whatever reason.

Our TP issues are pretty irritating (and I agree that it's really annoying to *need* Paeon since that sort of kills the point of Goad), but that's hardly enough to make people take another DPS over us.

[Seaverin]

yes I'm talking about A2S and in savage in general regarding TP consumption of nin and tp ticks. other runs besides Savage, nin don't have a problem with TP shortage

[Almerin]

I drive the glorious Gobwalker in A2S (which all NINs should, DRG & MNK are much better melee for A2S), but I'm sitting on 100-170ish TP after the first jump in A1S, and I don't remember what it is on the second jump, but something similar. If you somehow died, you'd probably run out of TP very easily even in A1.
A4S same issues, if you don't get targetted by certain mechanics you run out of TP long before the final phase unless you, again, get a lot of TP song. Problem is, healers need a lot of MP as well. It would be nice to see some TP changes for Ninja, else we're just permanently asking for TP song which seems kinda weird.
This will only get worse with more gear (and less latency to some extent for EU players such as myself), as we're barely scratching the new gear and we're already sitting at around 2.04-2.02 GCDs.

[Transfinite]

The reason that Monks are getting a buff is because both Ninjas and Dragoons, 9/10 have guaranteed raid spots as the 2 melee DPS of the static because they both bring raid utility skills that synergies well with pushing out overall raid DPS. Yes the Ninjas could be better, but at least they're able to get into endgame raiding statics where a ton of Monks are being laid off and fired from statics.

[Pluvia]

The reason that Monks are getting a buff is because both Ninjas and Dragoons, 9/10 have guaranteed raid spots as the 2 melee DPS of the static because they both bring raid utility skills that synergies well with pushing out overall raid DPS. Yes the Ninjas could be better, but at least they're able to get into endgame raiding statics where a ton of Monks are being laid off and fired from statics.

Just stop posting on the forums please it would be the other way around if Drk didn't give the int down and it was needed to survive ninjas wouldn't be wanted so please go debate with the devs. they're buffing Mnks and most of the ninjas just want QoL adjustment. And no Monks are getting fired from any good statics. If they're in a World first raid they already knew what they were getting into. anything other then a progression group it won't matter monks are not that bad off and they're getting adjusted come tuesday.
Yes monks needed a buff but man you're overstating everything. But really either A they're going to buff monks enough that they overtake Ninja then we have the same problem or B it won't change much and Drg/Nin will still be the way to go
1st Drk took Monks main utlility while doing more damage then paladin. 2nd Drgs are needed because battle litany is god like and disembowel buffs Brd/Mch a lot so really they prob could of made it better by having monks buff mch as much as that sounds stupid.

So overall we're looking at this melee can only be 2 setups
Drg/Mnk
Drg/Nin
The only good way to solve it is to redesign how the utility is for monks but they're choosing a shit way of adjusting them.

Really all of this only matters becasue we're undergeared any setup will eventually be able to clear Savage Alex.

[Transfinite]

If Monks don't really have any problems, then why would the team choose to also buff this Job in the first place if the Job was working as intended? Ninjas, Bards, Machinists, Black Mages, and Dark Knights are all just as entitled to a Quality of Life buff as Monks.