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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    This particular bit held struck me as a point where her delusion fell apart:

    "Fire and blood. And screams...so many screams. Mine own join the chorus, calling for order, calling for justice...but there is none to be had. Men fight, men run, men die—without reason, without logic. I speak, but they do not listen. I see the girl, no more than ten, hiding amongst the rubble. The wyvern sees her too. I beg. I plead. I pray..."

    Knowing her history and her dreams that would have been a horrible thing to realise your responsible for.

    Its hard to say exactly but I think her dreams, desires and determination kind of reminded Hraesvelgr of Shiva. Without being able to see his mind its hard to be sure though since his responses are kind of vague.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    What if, for some reason, the next story is about Minfilia.

    What if?
    I doubt it since she really doesn't have much to do with the Dragonsong war. Rereading the Tales of the Calamity kind of makes me hope we see her past come up again in the future. We have seen little of skills she may have used to get by prior to founding the Path of the Twelve.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
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    You are totally right on that one, it makes perfect sense, well done !

    Regarding Ysayle, well.... Lahabrea says that the echo is the power to break boundaries and many times, with his type of speech, would hint he has the echo too, or something similiar. ''Let us show these mortals the true power of the echo'', I also remember something about being the key to immortality or so, but i cannot remember properly

    We dont know what happened to the other people in the path of the twelve in 1.x but we do know that beastmen also can have this.

    in 2.2 patch, before leviathan is summoned, we see a sahagin tryng to summon Leviathan, but gets killed, and when it dies, its ''soul'', its ''aether'' goes to another one.

    We know that echo's power so far, are seeing the past, and speak all languages/understand all languages. BUT Our path companion and other members of the Path, could not understand sylphs(i dont remember exactly how it is, but i remember someone asking you to explain what the sylph were saying, maybe im wrong but anyway.

    It would seem like the echo can '' level up'' for example what midgarsormr did to the WoL

    When ysayle dies, she leaves a massive cloud of aether in the sky. I wonder, what if Ysayle had unlocked more of the power of the echo, the capacity to remain conscious in the aetherflow? Like that sahagin from before?

    I wasn't expecting nanamo to come back, and it makes alot of sense if Ysayle does, BUT plotwise seems, boring.

    ''sultana is dead'' ''NOT!''
    ''Scions are dead" "NOT!"

    i really hope Ysayle comes back, to me makes perfect sense, and she is a well written character and, like moenbryda, her stayng felt too short :/
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    New story up. It's Haurchefant.
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    I feel like Francel is going to become our enemy. His anger at us is understandable; we took his best friend and protector from him. He likely resents us for the ease we won him over, and the (potential) relationship we had with him.
    What I found odd is that the story suggested that the relationship between Haurchefant and Francel was just between a knight and his lord; there was a distinct lack of romantic undertones (as is suggested by the early MSQ). But I get the feeling Francel wanted more, and is jealous the WoL (potentially) got that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    I feel like Francel is going to become our enemy. His anger at us is understandable; we took his best friend and protector from him. He likely resents us for the ease we won him over, and the (potential) relationship we had with him.
    What I found odd is that the story suggested that the relationship between Haurchefant and Francel was just between a knight and his lord; there was a distinct lack of romantic undertones (as is suggested by the early MSQ). But I get the feeling Francel wanted more, and is jealous the WoL (potentially) got that.
    I didn't really get a jealousy vibe from this at all tbh.

    The part about him breaking the dead flowers (he leaves flowers at Haurchefant's memorial EVERY DAY) I felt was more like ... the anger stage of grief?

    But there's loads of romantic undertones to this, remembering that the narrator of the story is Francel himself. I mean come on:

    A silver-haired boy twice his age was swinging a wooden sword with reckless abandon, his bare chest glistening with sweat in the moonlight.
    This reads like something straight out of a gay romance novel. Plus if you go and speak to Francel after doing the Vault he is ... really distraught. Like even more distraught than the people at Dragonhead iirc (who - if you didn't check them - CANNOT say their scripted "tell me about what you do here" lines because they can't bring themselves to say those things).

    What I'm trying to say is that I'd really like for Square to stop beating around the bush and tell us if they were in a relationship ... perhaps we could get some stuff about that at the weekend during the lore thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clawtooth View Post
    What I'm trying to say is that I'd really like for Square to stop beating around the bush and tell us if they were in a relationship ... perhaps we could get some stuff about that at the weekend during the lore thing?
    I can't see them doing that as it'd joss everyone with a headcanon that the WoL was in a relationship with Haurchefant, which is something they've also left open to interpretation. (Unless your personal headcanon was that he was poly as hell, which is yet another thing that's open to interpretation).
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    The anger Francel takes out on the flowers is definitely directed at the WoL. I get the feeling that he thought that if Haurchefant died as a knight, it would have been in his defense...not some foreigner freshly come to Ishgard (even if you did save his life, and would have stopped the Dragonsong War if not for Estinien). He's definitely jealous that you became so highly regarded that he gave his life for you, and that his House saw you as worthy enough to be gifted his shield.

    If anything, I can see that Francel wanted more out of their relationship than knight/Lord, but his desires were not returned in kind.
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    Wouldn't that be a tweeest of Francel becomes our enemy behind the scenes.

    I was expecting a little more, seeing as that we spent a lot of time 30-40 dealing with Francel. Maybe something more recent....

    But his reaction to the gravesite is quite interesting.
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    Hello I was wrong. Good bye!
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    Forgotten friend or jilted lover? Smells like we've got an issue here between Francel and the WoL.
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