On the lack of humanity in our community.

[Gunspec]

I sacrificed my humanity to the RNG gods, and have since ascended to a plane of high rolls and rare drops. Quit groveling in the dirt and join me. Swear your loyalty to the random numbers and take your first step to the merciless realm of flawless luck.

[Adire]

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Would you consider the advice to remain in a harmful environment good or bad therapeutic advice?

Because some people on this thread have given that advice, and the crux of all of my arguments on this thread has been that some therapeutic advice can be bad, and some can be good.

So you're preaching to the choir here. I can assure you, and any therapist with half a brain could assure you, that remaining in an environment that is doing you harm is a bad idea. Some people have claimed otherwise. Hopefully they are not therapists. Because if they were therapists, they'd be the kind that gave you advice that drove you deeper into depression, as you seem to have experienced.

Good therapeutic advice can benefit anyone, regardless of the source of their depression. Even the advice to get out of bed and try to find someone to help you is therapeutic advice for a depressed person that would help anyone. As is the advice to get out of bad situations.

[Jerichai]

Would you consider the advice to remain in a harmful environment good or bad therapeutic advice?

Because some people on this thread have given that advice, and the crux of all of my arguments on this thread has been that some therapeutic advice can be bad, and some can be good.

So you're preaching to the choir here. I can assure you, and any therapist with half a brain could assure you, that remaining in an environment that is doing you harm is a bad idea. Some people have claimed otherwise. Hopefully they are not therapists. Because if they were therapists, they'd be the kind that gave you advice that drove you deeper into depression, as you seem to have experienced.

How am I preaching to the choir when I'm refuting your comment of 'But it is a treatment, therapeutic advice is good for anyone'. I mean...after you say that you immediately jump back into what therapists would say. And how does my comment have anything to do with what others are suggesting the OP do. Believe me, my intentions were purely to call out your problematic opinion.

[Adire]

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I'm guessing you haven't read many of my other posts. You seem to not understand the context I've been speaking in. Also, please refer to my last sentence in my previous post that I just added in. Do you disagree with that sentence? Do you think that some people can't be helped at all by therapeutic advice of any kind?

Because I know enough to know that people have a lot to do with someone's ability to overcome depression in any case. I do not know of any case of depression where the person has not benefited from some form of therapy, even if it's therapeutic advice from someone who isn't even a therapist.

Edit: As for what it has to do with the suggestions people have made, my "problematic opinion" coexists with the arguments in this thread that good therapeutic advice can be universally beneficial. Because my advice to people who are depressed by the game's community is to remove themselves from the situation rather than remain in its harmful effects and continue to suffer.

[Jerichai]

I'm guessing you haven't read many of my other posts. You seem to not understand the context I've been speaking in. Also, please refer to my last sentence in my previous post that I just added in. Do you disagree with that sentence? Do you think that some people can't be helped at all by therapeutic advice of any kind?

Because I know enough to know that people have a lot to do with someone's ability to overcome depression in any case. I do not know of any case of depression where the person has not benefited from some form of therapy, even if it's therapeutic advice from someone who isn't even a therapist.

Yes, I do believe that therapy does not necessarily help everyone overcome depression. My evidence? How about nearly a year's worth of once a week visits that in the end drove me deeper into depression at that time in my life. I also remember all the people trying to tell me...like you are now...that therapy should be making things better, which only served to instill a sense of hopelessness in me that I'd ever get over depression.

[Seig345]

I loved the reference to a line from "Answers", having found myself recently referencing a part of "Dragonsong" while posting about an argument that was simply going in circles (mostly due to blanket statements, all seems to tie in together doesn't it?)

I also agree with the bit about the hypothetical shutting down of the entire game. With all of your in-game progress gone, what would you be able to take away from your experiences? Your items, gear, coil runs, raid clears, and achievements are gone, so all you'd have would be the memories and interactions you shared with your fellow players in the game. Hopefully the better part of those memories/interactions were positive, and not ripping people a new one over a game. It's only human to occasionally get frustrated, but if you're paying a subscription to primarily get pissed at people playing the same game, then... damn...

[Demogulus-Veisef]

I sacrificed my humanity to the RNG gods, and have since ascended to a plane of high rolls and rare drops. Quit groveling in the dirt and join me. Swear your loyalty to the random numbers and take your first step to the merciless realm of flawless luck.

[Adire]

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I think my advice to people who may be feeling amplified effects of depression from playing this game to take a break or leave is good for ALL people who are feeling this way, regardless of the why's and how's of their depression.

So yes, I believe my advice to leave or take a break from what's hurting you is good therapeutic advice to all the situation is relevant for.

I think you're misunderstanding my context though. I've never claimed that all therapy is always beneficial to everyone. The bad therapeutic advice people have given in this thread that I have called out should be evidence of this for you.

I can say that my advice to not stay in a harmful environment is universally good therapeutic advice, however.

Edit: You also seemed to have missed this from my original quote:

Apparently, therapy is indeed a well accepted method of attempting to manage depression symptoms, even in bipolar disorder. Is it perfect? No. Is it a cure? No. But it is a treatment, therapeutic advice is good for anyone. Including the advice to avoid remaining in a bad environment.

Nowhere did I say that all therapy is a magical fix all for everyone, or even insinuate that it always produces a positive effect. As I said before, some therapy doesn't work (including the official sort), some even has bad effects. Hence why I used the word attempting. But there is always some sort of therapy, even if it's just good therapeutic advice or treatment, that will benefit you. What you tried just happened to not be good for you and (I'm going to assume) none of the advice your therapist gave you was universally good advice.

I can assure you though, that anyone who chooses to leave a harmful environment will be doing themselves more good than harm. This is an example of universally good therapeutic advice and positive therapy as a result.

Do you think it could possibly, ever be good advice to someone to stay in an environment that is further amplifying their depression? If not, then I think we're more on the same page than you think we are.

[MeiUshu]

Not cynical; informed. I've played MMOs big and small for a long time now, and in smaller MMOs there is tighter social cohesion, and if you go against the social "norms" or consistently behave antisocially, you will quickly find yourself unable to do anything because nobody wants to associate with you.

FFXIV is what I'd call a "big" MMO, where there are no lasting repercussions for abusing other players because you will likely never see anybody you meet in DF again and if your static kicks you out you can just get a new one or go to a different server. You only get in serious trouble if you do something that can get your account suspended.

very much so...very very much so

Mei

[Bishop81]

I sacrificed my humanity to the RNG gods, and have since ascended to a plane of high rolls and rare drops. Quit groveling in the dirt and join me. Swear your loyalty to the random numbers and take your first step to the merciless realm of flawless luck.

You jest, but a grind where that stupid item just won't drop can really turn one salty.