Cleric Stance in PvP

[RiceisNice]

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The point is that he finds Healing in PvP fun, and you don't . That's fine and all, because soemthing like fun is subjective.

But PvP and PvE are completely different beasts. Tanks are not "tanking", they are disrupting the enemy team. DPS isn't focusing on dpsing as much as they are trying to burst on another player who are reactionary to their environments and being babysat by their healers, and healers are keeping their party up in an environment where damage is not scripted and predictable. Just because you personally are not having fun healing in PvP does not necessarily mean the healer role in PvP needs to be adjusted. Maybe it's not your cup of tea. Just like how players don't like healing/tanking in PvE so that we have shortages of both of them.

[Maxwell]

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For the others there are around 40 skill to use. We want to make use of all of them.

... There are always some guys who ask them "why ? you're a healer ! just heal."

If you are only healing in pvp as a healer you're doing it wrong. No one is suggesting that you should not dps.

Stuff i do on healer in pvp:

• Constantly disable enemies (Sleep/bind/heavy)
• Deny nodes with aoe (Misasma 2/holy/assize/aether burst/retrogradation/etc.)
• Bait people away
• Heal spam other parties
• Distract/waste people's cooldowns and LBs by super tanking with atunement/sacred prism/equanimity + cure bomb
• Knock people away when they deny or attempting to cap a node (fluid aura/aura blast)
• Save people from death and remove debuffs.
• Knock people back in the party's kill zone
• Spread dots around (gets me kills here and there)

I use all the tools of my class in every match. Why arent you ?

[morerancor]

The only reason someone would tell you that, is because your not doing a very good job doing both. From what I've heard it was taken out because groups of healers would team up and become immortal killing machines. So Its not coming back, sorry.

[Mclyde]

The thing is about to Improve the pvp concept in this game where it's really not popular.
As you said pvp is quit different than pve and for all the class.
If i see one of my teamate doing something that really not deserve the team's goal (win the game) i'm not going to heal him just because "it's supposed to be my role".
We all have the same ultimate job in pvp = to win the match. We got a lot of tools to manage to do that, and the first one is your brain. Is it time to heal ? is it time to kill ? is it time to endure ? is it time to make a tap-dancing ?
Keeping someone in life doesn't make directly progress the game. Killing does. Tank and damagedealer can do that, i don't want to rely completely on others to make the job.
Half the team seems to have no idea of what they are doing in pvp. Why should i lose my time healing them since i can make the job my-self ? And then heal when the conditions are opportune for that.

Change the cleric stance specially for pvp i don't know but make something to allow us, healer, to be more independant strategically.

[Maxwell]

You dont seem to know how seal rock works! Let me teach you the basics:

• Death = -5 points for your team.
• Kill = -5 points for the team of the killed player.
• Kills does not grant you points. Only holding nodes does.

.. If i see one of my teamate doing something that really not deserve the team's goal (win the game) i'm not going to heal him just because "it's supposed to be my role"...

So you will purposefully fail to do your job and handicap your team out of spite ?

... Why should i lose my time healing them since i can make the job my-self ? And then heal when the conditions are opportune for that. Change the cleric stance specially for pvp i don't know but make something to allow us, healer, to be more independant..

Why dont you change to BLM? You cant do caster style DPS. Failiure on healing, dps and overall party utility. I think i know where the issue is.

[TwiissTwiiss]

You dont seem to know how seal rock works! Let me teach you the basics:[LIST][*]Death = -5 points for your team.[*]Kill = -5 points for the team of the killed player.[*]Kills does not grant you points. Only holding nodes does.

Well that's not right. You also gain points from killing.

[Maxwell]

You are right ineed. i was wrong. Does not excuse letting people die on purpose to drop your own score.

[TwiissTwiiss]

@OP if u want to DPS, go play dps. Better than a playing a Healer and not healing.

[RiceisNice]

Dying resets your progress as much as killing gains it. Honestly if you're not going to keep people up out of spite, I'm glad I'm not in the same data center And GC as you.

If healers were capable of getting kills as much as dps is, AND keep people alive, then what's the point of any other class? Which was the problem that was presented when cleric stance was still allowed.


If you don't want to rely on dps to do their job, then honestly, play a dps then. You're clearly not enjoying your role as a healer, and you seem to have a preference to do what a dps would do.

[Mclyde]

I'm glad I'm not in the same data center And GC as you.

Cause you think i'm not able to transfer just to see you die while

doing something that really not deserve the team's goal

without healing ?



Ok just kidding.

It's part of the healer job to dps too. It's as if you'd like to remove the damage of the tanks just because they have better survivability than damage dealers.
Moreover a lot of healers proclaim that sometimes they just don't rez someone in pve cause they know this player won't help the team. Just check that http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-do-Healers.... Healers are here to make the team wins as every other job of the party, healing is just one way to do it, not a end. The end is to win, and for that you'd need sometimes to be able to kick ass instead of putting plasters on clowns running everywhere.