Astrologian is in a good position right now.

[mp-please]

i simply can't take you serious after you are telling all people in all topics how bad whm is and how much better sch is...

And then he changes for a bootleg version of white mage and defends how great it is.

[Dalvy]

Have you? Cuz I don't see a lv 60 SCH or WHM on your char :X

Hi there, 60 SCH and AST. Take my assessment as you will.

AST still trails behind SCH. Not having proper defense CD on call is noticeable & troublesome. I generally worked harder to heal on AST then on SCH. Lightspeed change is alright but it's still reliant on how many casts you can get off in that short amount of time, versus flat potency increase on a longer timer, from fairy.

[PetiteMalFleur]

He's actually hurting the job because any developer that reads this might be wary about giving ast their necessary buffs because illusional people like him are saying the job is fine when logically it's not. If he really liked this job he would support any positive changes done to the job. I think he actually hates the job and he's trying to keep it weak so people don't play the job.

I was trying to think of something positive. I really hope se doesn't take him seriously but I think the community response and minimal number of asts clearing content speaks for itself.

[RichardButte]

Have you already gone and leveled SCH or WHM or both as people have suggested you, and experienced yourself the differences between older 2 healers and AST ? Or maybe at least kept an eye on how much more work your SCH or WHM partner is doing by AST in a team ?
Or was the reason to create this thread to get even more attention on this forum by being the only one who finds AST fine ?

I have.

SCH does pretty much everything AST can do, except better, safer, and faster and without going OOM. The only thing AST really has over it is the ability to restore TP/MP to other party members.

As Sanguisio said...

AST vs content = fine manageable
AST vs SCH/WHM = the fat kid in pe, has a chance but why would you.

Anyone insisting upon bringing one to content in AST's current state is gimping their static.

[DawnSolaria]

Nooooooooooooooooooo

TL;DR: no.

[Vlady]

No. Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot. Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be. People want them to be as strong of a healer as white mage or to have stronger shields and even have them crit for double strength with is absurd. We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance which is superb for emergancy recovery and not for higher sustained hps. That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

[WingsOfAzrael]

our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be.

im sorry what?

[HyperNovaX]

No. Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot. Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be. People want them to be as strong of a healer as white mage or to have stronger shields and even have them crit for double strength with is absurd. We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance which is superb for emergancy recovery and not for higher sustained hps. That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

Jesus christ... AST was never able to stance dance, EVER. Why won't you get it? Urgh actually no wonder you won't get it with these absurd posts of yours.. Every post is a guaranteed facepalm..

[GideonHighmourn]

Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot.

There are currently three healers and two raid spots, and in reality, AST is sitting in dead last by a marginal amount in terms of utility, healing, and meta game when compared to SCH/WHM. With the toolkit AST has, being essentially a direct copy of WHM/SCH just weaker with fewer cool downs, it relies on it's RNG utility buffs to make up for the difference; however, it falls far short of actually making up for the loss of DPS and cool downs due to the unreliable and potentially meaningless nature of cards. This is what is leading AST to be left out in progression groups ... Because it fails to compete/comply with the previous meta.

So, unless you consider "last" (and non-competitive) a good spot, then I suppose you'd be correct.

We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance

How many times do I have to outline to you how incorrect this is? AST isn't stronger than WHM in single target healing while in Noct Stance. If anything, they're significantly lower in comparison to Dirunal due to HoTs. Stop looking at potency alone and claiming they heal the same amount; cool downs play a significant factor in why AST's healing is significantly lower than WHM's on single target or AoE.

Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be.

Again ... AST was never able to sect dance. Stop saying this; it only makes you look more foolish. It was talked about in development but never made it into any public release (previews included, AFAIK). Also, AST healing being better than SCH is debatable at best.

That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

Sect dancing would change nothing about how AST performs in the larger picture. Even when SE did mention Sect dancing, they said it would be on a very long cool down, which would significantly reduce the usefulness, given most situations you'd actually want to use it in. It would add complexity and more flavor/uniqueness to the class, but it wouldn't solve any of it's problems.

[Vlady]

Jesus christ... AST was never able to stance dance, EVER. Why won't you get it? Urgh actually no wonder you won't get it with these absurd posts of yours.. Every post is a guaranteed facepalm..

There are currently three healers and two raid spots, and in reality, AST is sitting in dead last by a marginal amount in terms of utility, healing, and meta game when compared to SCH/WHM. With the toolkit AST has, being essentially a direct copy of WHM/SCH just weaker with fewer cool downs, it relies on it's RNG utility buffs to make up for the difference; however, it falls far short of actually making up for the loss of DPS and cool downs due to the unreliable and potentially meaningless nature of cards. This is what is leading AST to be left out in progression groups ... Because it fails to compete/comply with the previous meta.

So, unless you consider "last" (and non-competitive) a good spot, then I suppose you'd be correct.

The level of your ignorance is beyond astounding. Of course there has to be a third place because they allow only two types of healers. To claim that invalidates the astrologian is poppycock because well the astrologian has performed in all levels of gameplay. Just because you expect them to have 5 more potency to be on par with white mages or have shields that rival scholar is silly at most and morbid brain damage at best.

How many times do I have to outline to you how incorrect this is? AST isn't stronger than WHM in single target healing while in Noct Stance. If anything, they're significantly lower in comparison to Dirunal due to HoTs. Stop looking at potency alone and claiming they heal the same amount; cool downs play a significant factor in why AST's healing is significantly lower than WHM's on single target or AoE.

Again ... AST was never able to sect dance. Stop saying this; it only makes you look more foolish. It was talked about in development but never made it into any public release (previews included, AFAIK). Also, AST healing being better than SCH is debatable at best.


Sect dancing would change nothing about how AST performs in the larger picture. Even when SE did mention Sect dancing, they said it would be on a very long cool down, which would significantly reduce the usefulness, given most situations you'd actually want to use it in. It would add complexity and more flavor/uniqueness to the class, but it wouldn't solve any of it's problems.

That is just a flat out misunderstanding of the job. If an astro could keep both regens up and swap to noc at will our aoe healing would be superior then white mage and emergency triage healing as strong as any healer combining noc shield + stronger Ben 2 along with two hots.

Ignorant? The early beta when Yoshida invited people who were bloggers and or writers for gaming websites had a sneak peak play they wrote on being able to swap stances with a cooldown. They had a cooldown on swapping stances in combat but then removed to be out of combat.

The hostility level of these forums is going beyond the absurd level.

The level of your ignorance is beyond astounding. Of course there has to be a third place because they allow only two types of healers. To claim that invalidates the astrologian is poppycock because well the astrologian has performed in all levels of gameplay. Just because you expect them to have 5 more potency to be on par with white mages or have shields that rival scholar is silly at most and morbid brain damage at best.

How many times do you have to realize that the up front healing of the astro in noc stance is better then white mage. In the long run white mage utilizing its cooldowns will blow the astrologian away yes but being able to perform emergency triage healing the astrologian has an extremely powerful aspected cast with a light speed ben 2 that can easily burst heal anyone to full. As you said HPS doesnt mean a thing its the ability of the job to be able to provide the healing necessary on demand which it does even considering the global cooldown.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...me_translated/

Transcript of the mouth of the dev himself. Was originally set to stance dance but they said they would limit how many times you could change during combat. I can think of countless times I could have saved people if I could have gone from duirnal stance to nocturnal stance. Being able to weave regen and shields would be incredibly powerful.